Does this even exist? A non live in nanny?

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As per the title really. Just exploring my options but we have no room for a live in nanny.

Also any idea of costs? I'm central London.

Yes, of course. It's more common than live in in my experience. We have one. We recruited through nannyjob. Other options are childcare.co.uk or an agency.

We pay around 30k per year for an experienced nanny (London/Surrey borders).

We had one in London for a while about 3 years ago. Cost was about £15 per hour including tax/NI. Really expensive option as we leave for work at about 7.45 and don't return til 6ish. There are lots of agencies you can use to find one. They charge a shitload as well (2 mths salary probably)

Doing all the tax returns was a pain as well. In the end we moved to a place where we had room for an au pair as the DC were old enough by then and we find it much more flexible/better value

Yes, I am a live-out nanny and work around 40 hours a week. I commute to work each day, just like working in any other job.

Being in central London your costs will be high as the person doing the job has to live reasonably close to be able to get to work for the start time you need, which may well be 7am. Look at what you can afford to pay and offer a salary below that and see who applies. I would anticipate that you would need to be offering over £12 an hour.

It exists but is hideously expensive!

I'd imagine that a nanny in central London would command about £11 per hour net (here in zone 3 I pay £10 per hour net), if you want them 10 hours/day, 5 days a week, that works out around £42,000 per year (including all taxes, NI etc). Remember that is out of your net pay, so assuming that some of your salary goes into a pension, you'll need to earn maybe £70,000 before your tax/pension just to pay the nanny. Next year you will need to offer them a pension then there is the cost of payroll, mileage if they drive the kids around, excursions, more heating if the house is occupied all day etc etc.

It's not a cheap form of childcare!

Tbh most the nannies I know are live out

Salaries varies on age experience and area but London 10/14 gross and hour plus then employers ni on top

Imo £10-14 gross is now way too low for a nanny in central London. It's more like £12-15net (£15-18 gross). For our part time nanny, central London, 25hrs a week, we pay £15 net per hr. If she ever babysits late we pay £18per hr after 11pm.

We prob pay slightly more as part time hrs. But I would say most friends of ours full time nanny (zone 1/2), are paying £12-13.50net per hr

Wow. You pay her £18/hour to sit and watch TV while your kids are asleep?

£15 per hour net for a 50 hour week with a standard tax code will cost around £61k per year, assuming you are properly paying her tax and MI not including mileage/kitty etc. The employer therefore has to earn around £95k before tax (more if they pay into a pension) just to pay the nanny.

I suppose that anyone who can afford to live in central London can afford this sort of money, but back in the real world.........

Soft - no, i pay her £18 hr if we are out later than 11pm which is occasional rather than norm. Would you be happy working after midnight? She usually works 20-25hrs a week at £15 an hr and usually kids are awake

Part time may pay a bit more but know several LONDON full time nannies and they def don't earn £16/18 gross

I work in Zone 3/4 and none of the nannies I know earn more than £10 net per hour! Some get less than that.

I'm live-in and earn £9.50 per hour I can't afford to live in London on London pay! I could get more if I worked for HNW families but I can't do the last minute change of plans and parents in and out a lot, I have a few nanny friends who do this kind of work and they do not pay them £15-18 gross!!

Artandco I have worked many a night and a weekend for less than £15 per hour!

Everyone has to pay what they can afford, I think you're in Holland Park or thereabouts, so a very very wealthy area of London - I'm sure nannies in that area do feel that they should be well paid as their employers are wealthy. I think that many of those in London are earning what I would call a more normal professional salary (obviously would need to be above average UK salary to afford a nanny) and with all the tax/NI/SSP/pension issues and changes lately, you have to be earning a lot to afford one.

It is going to become a real issue for the NHS as an average two doctor family would now struggle to afford a nanny and with the irregular hours that medics work it is often the only childcare that works.

I'm not saying people don't work for less, I'm saying this is what we are happy paying. We have had the same lady for 5 years so I'm sure we are doing something right. With our jobs sometimes we need her say 3pm-7pm mon-fri, and another week only two days but 3pm-midnight, so we pay for the flexibility.

Ah, that makes sense then - by paying over the odds for the hourly rate you are essentially paying a retainer for the hours that you have her on standby but don't use her.

Slightly misleading maybe to suggest that is the going rate for a more normal nanny arrangement that is usually the same hours each week.

Soft - it is same hrs though. She gets paid for 25hrs min even If we only use say 10.

Think you need to pay a tad more for just after school hours to make it worth it for the nannies

You are obv doing something right if had your nanny 5yrs :)

Tho if she ever leaves she may struggle with the pay cut