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I think I need a nanny.

14 replies

MrsDoolittle · 17/11/2006 14:44

I have no idea where to start or even if I have the confidence to interview.
However there is no way I want to pay an agency £800 finders fee!!
Could I get one that lives out?
How much would it cost per week?
How reliable is this?
I'm just so very very nervous of this whole thing
Please help

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MrsDoolittle · 17/11/2006 15:01

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Uwilalalalalala · 17/11/2006 15:34

Come over and join my avoid all agencies like the plague club.

Why live out? (live-in is cheaper)
What hours?
What ages are kids?

Live-out nannies are considerably more expensive than live-in, and take more sick days. But, if you can afford one, they certainlyexist. Probably somewhere around £350 per week net. This is a wild guess. Someone will surely be round to tell me I'm wrong.

nannyj · 17/11/2006 16:23

Defenately look on www.nannyjob.co.uk or gumtree.
Where abouts are you? Salaries vary so much, around where i live (Kensington) between £400 - £500 a week is the norm. I know 3 live out nannies near me and they earn around £500 a week but they have years of experience so i'm sure you could get a nanny cheaper. North London is cheaper than West or South from my experience and as you move out of London it gets even cheaper.

Don't look on the interview as a scary thing , have your list of questions, nannyjob will help you with this and look on it as a chat. Trust me the nanny will be more nervous than you! . Also go with your first instincts but make sure you check references fully. Good luck.

Uwilalalalalala · 17/11/2006 16:31

And come back here for advice. There are lots of us nanny employers. We will tell you what is and isn't acceptable practise.

£500?!?! Well, I sppose if you can afford to live in Kennsington...

hatwoman · 17/11/2006 16:33

look at simply childcare's website - they have a childcare pack with lots of advice in, which is very good. and you can subscribe to their magazine for about £40 for several copies - tonnes cheaper than agencies

MrsDoolittle · 17/11/2006 19:15

Thank you very much Ladies.
Unfortunately our house is too small to have a Nanny live in Uwila, but I take your point.
My children are ds now 9 months and dd is 2.5.
The hours are very variable. I work alot at home but when I do go into work I have a long commute, so those days are long. I would like a nanny to work full-time.
I am currently paying the nursery full-time but I'm off 7 weeks a year and often I take the children out early or leave them in late depending on what my work load is.
WE are currently paying the nursery £1600 per month and it is crippling us.

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Uwilalalalalala · 17/11/2006 20:31

To be perfectly honest, I don't know if you will fond a live out nanny for much less than that, unless you pay her in cash. Even then it's debatable... You could do live in, but probably not live out. Sorry, I know that isn't what you want to hear.

MrsDoolittle · 17/11/2006 21:19

I had a nagging suspicion you are right Uwila. I think we have to deal with the fact we are crippled as there as practical issues too.

Another question dd is 3 in April and will be entitled to 2.5 free sessions next September, I think. This will dramatically reduce the cost of nursery for us. How does this work with a nanny?

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NannyL · 17/11/2006 21:33

also mrs doolittle dont forget your nurarsy costs are all-in

having a nanny in the house means you use more electric / gas etc for cooking / eating...

you will then pay nanny petrol costs to drive her own car (unless u provied a car) + nanny is likely to do a few toddler groups / music classes / swimming / tumbletots etc... that all add up and in the hokidays its normal to do a few slightly more expensive day trips.

I dont any nannies who are happy to sit around the house all day (gets a bit lonely, and not very social for the children!)

Uwila is right that it wouldnt cost mucy less for a nanny, and by the time you add on the extra costs for your childrens activites probably more.

BUT have you considered a nanny share... maybe another local family with similar (or not so similar) aged children? both families could be cared for by the same nanny and it pretty much halves the cost of having a nanny....

maybe if another family had her living in assuming £1600 was the figure, they could pay £700, and you £900 or another similar arragement to suit both parties?

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MrsDoolittle · 17/11/2006 21:50

This is really useful - Thankyou.
I am a subscriber to Sharing Care but in the year I have been subscribed we have only been notified of about 3 possibilities and they were all far too far away.
We have been toying with the idea of a nanny for a year but maybe now it's time to put it to bed.

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nannynick · 18/11/2006 00:52

To respond to the initial questions, Yes it is possible to find nannies who live out. Cost will vary a bit depending on area, though budget for around £10 per hour and you won't be that far out. As a daily nanny (live out), I cost my employer around £10 per hour, thus as I do a 10 hour day, cost is £100 a day. For my employer this is cheaper than a nursery, as there are 3 children involved soon to become 4.

The arrangement is as reliable as the person whom you hire. One drawback of a nanny is that if the nanny is really ill, then there is no backup. However, nannies tend to work if a little under the weather (though obviously not if infectious), and as a nanny I can say that I've had no days off due to illness in the past year.

There are other costs to consider when comparing a nanny against other forms of care, for example the weekly budget for expenses. This will vary depending on cost of social activities in your area and what you want the children to do. Personally I tend to spend around £20 a week on activities - such as music group, swimming (one of the bigger budget eaters), toddler group, and other outing associated costs. Also if your nanny is providing their own transport, you need to compensate for that in some why, typically by paying an agreed mileage rate, or fuel allowance.
As others have already mentioned, costs at home will also increase a bit, as there will be more use of facilities during the day. However there are also advantages to this, such as household tasks being done, having more control over what your children eat, and having an employee who works the hours you require (by prior arrangement), to name a few.

I reckon that with two children, with nursery costing £1600 a month, that a nanny will probably work out a bit more expensive, probably closer to £2000 a month if nanny works say 50 hours per week. However you need to weigh up the pros and cons of both forms of childcare and see which your childrens needs and your own.

hovely · 20/11/2006 14:24

one big advantage of a nanny, especially if you are commuting, can be flexibility...if my train is delayed, I know that she will stay until I get there; and I always make sure she gets time off in lieu, even casually, so if I get home early she can go early.
With nursery, usually they charge a LOT if you are late.

have you considered a part-time arrangement, to take account of the free nursery sessions?
we have a (live-out) nanny for 4 days a week. She does 2 x 12 hour days, and 2 x days of before-and-after school and nursery.
So I can be out of the house from 7am-7pm, but DS gets 2 days with friends at nursery, thereby using some of his free sessions, and our nanny gets time in the day to study, or she could take another job as a cleaner.

sinclair · 20/11/2006 21:49

it is expensive but there are advantages - mostly around flexibility as others have mentioned. I hired a nanny at exactly the same stage as you are at now, one of the benefits for my family was that DD was able to attend a brilliant pre-school as nanny could obviously accomodate the 2.5 hour session into the day impossible for working parents of course. Previously DD had been in a daycare setting and there was no comparison to be honest.

Or have you thought of a childminder - they will usually pick up adn drop off at nursery schools? And you might be able to do a deal that reflects the actual hours childcare you need - ie paying a 'retainer' for the weeks that you don't use the childminder.

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