Nanny Holiday Calculations

[meggleshs]

evening - my amazing nanny works 4 days a week (M-Thurs), except for (8) weeks that she works 5 days a week.

Her contract states that she gets 5.6 weeks holiday, 1/2 chosen by me and 1/2 by her. (pretty standard I think)

I want to make sure I'm doing the calculations right...

5.6 x 4 = 22.4 days (round to 22.5)
Minus 8 bank holidays (but since she doesn't work Fridays, and good Friday & Christmas 2015 are on a Friday so I count these?)
14.5 days

Divided by 2... 7.25 days to be chosen by each...

However.... how do I take into account the 'long' weeks she does 8 / year? And the bank holidays on a Friday where she wouldn't normally be working?

Thanks!!!

If she's only got 6 bank holidays off, doesn't that leave 16.5 days to share? And are the bank holidays shared, or your choice, or her choice?

I would assume bank holidays are shared, but what if she's happy to work them?

I work a 4 day week (Mon - Thurs) my holiday calculation is 22.5 days per year plus bank holidays. So I choose 11 days and my employer chooses 11 and I have all the bank holidays off also, paid.

I would use casual calc for the other day.
12.07% of time worked.
So hours worked that day x 8 weeks
Divide 100
Multiply 12.07

Personally I would not do 50/50 split. Employer can dictate all holiday. You can let them have choice but in future years you may want to impose limits such as not during school term time.

If Xmas say is a Friday then so is New Years day.

thanks ladies - looking at the contract it lumps holiday time & bank holidays together so by extension it says that I choose 1/2 and she chooses 1/2. but as I don't work on bank holidays, i'd really like her to choose not to work on those days, if that makes sense.

So let's say we go with 4 days / week calcs:
(only 7 bank holiday's she's working on)
(5.6 x 4) - 7 = 15.4 / 2 = 7.2 for each to choose.

Then if we do the 'casual calculation NannyNick suggests:
12.07% of time worked.
So hours worked that day x 8 weeks - 8.5 x 8 = 68
Divide 100 = 6.8
Multiply 12.07 = 8.2

So so I then what do I do?

Sorry I seem like a numpty.

Surely a bit of give and take is called for. You are lucky to find someone who will flex from four days to five to suit you, so I would say you should err on the generous side with the holiday rather than the absolute barest arguably legal minimum - and should go with the normal convention of letting nanny choose half.

The day calculations you are doing tell you how many days so if I work it out the way I do it which is 28 days divided by 5 days times the 4 days she works you end up with 22.4 days (that includes bank hols) now add the 8.2 hours the casual working gave you. You end up with. 23.4 days and .2 hours so you round it up to 23.5 days.

Now take away any bank holidays in the current working year (yes that number will change each year due to christmas/Boxing Day/New Years day changing each year) and then divide the remainder number of days between you if you want to do the 50/50 split which seems to be normal.

So from say March 1st 2015-feb 29th 2016 there are 5 bank hols on her working days (unless you would need here for one of her 8 Friday's the week before easter, christmas or new year week then Ob more as they are all Friday's this year)

So 23.5-5 leaves 18.5 days so you could say she chooses 9 days and you choose 9.5 this year.

Now just to add to the confusion!!

The week between Christmas and new year where she would be working 3 days (and a bank hol which we have already taken away), if you don't need/want her to work those days you could either give it as extra holiday or take those days away for the 18.5 before you split it so then you would end up with 15.5 maybe 8 hers and 7.5 yours choice or the other way round.

hope that all helps. This is how I work my 3 day contract.

Of course if it makes things a little easier you can round the .5 day up to a whole day so you always end up choosing the same amount of days holiday which is normally around two working weeks.

Jinxxx... agree. She is a great nanny, and I want to be fair, earing on the 'her' side if you would...

My thoughts:
(5.6 weeks per annum x 4 days worked per week) ÷ 52 weeks per annum x 44 weeks per annum worked at this rate = 18.95 days inclusive of bank holidays
(5.6 weeks per annum x 5 days worked per week) ÷ 52 weeks per annum x 8 weeks per annum worked at this rate = 4.30 days inclusive of bank holidays

Deducting only 7 bank holidays...

That works out to 16.3 total, or 8.1 days each. I'm happy to round 'up' so she chooses 9 days and I choose 8.

Any other suggestions most welcome. Thanks!

But this year there are only 5 bank hols on her working days so why are you taking away 7 days??

So if she chooses 8 days that's 2 weeks worth in a usual 4 day working week - so seems to work out

Surprised Nick you are saying don't do 50/50 - I wouldn't accept a job where I couldn't pick my own holiday

I think that as she sometimes works the 5th day and sometime doesn't you should be generous.

Many childminders would charge a retainer for that day. After all she can get another job that day. What would the cost of a 50% retainer for the fifth day over the year account to? Can she decline to work that day for you? as that is different

I would give 28 days minus the bank holidays. Then fair enough choose 50 /50 each.

The nanny situation even with 50/50 is not very fair IMO although obviously I accept it has to be that way. But nannies often don't know when they will have holiday and can't plan for that time . I'm aware some jobs stipulate holiday time eg factory closure , schools but staff do know in advance.
I find that although my contract says 2 months notice for holidays, employers often don't commit and then say oh btw I'm not here next week.

You sound a fair employer , I think spending too much time trying to get the holiday to the exact hour is pointless. As a bit of generosity might come in handy for give and take iykwim.