Typical London (zone 2) live in nanny salary?

[PartyintheKitchen]

Hi everyone,

My husband and I have the opportunity to employ a live in nanny, she used to work at my sons previous nursery as an assistant. We kept in touch when she left and when my son left the nursery. My son absolutely adores her! We now find ourselves with the opportunity to have her as our live in nanny when I go back to work in September (I'm on mat leave with DC2). I don't want to take the mick in terms of an offer but I really have no idea what would be reasonable! She would have a decent sized bedroom, she won't have her own bathroom though. I'll need her 4 days/week Mon-Thurs from 7.30-6 with one nights babysitting in the week. She will have to bring my 2.5 year old to nursery (8 am-3pm) and will have sole charge of my then 10 month old. She has 1 years experience as a nanny and 6 months nursery assistant experience.

What would be reasonable do you think?

Anything between 300 and 400 a week. depends on experience obviously.

I would say around £300 net maximum but obviously offer in gross. She has barely any experience at all and doing 4days. If you look on nanny job website you can get an idea of what agencies are offering In regards to pay which is usually in the £300-400 net ballmark. But again all should be done in gross.

Thanks purple and yerazig.

I didn't know what people would think about her relatively small amount of experience and the proposed four day week and how these would impact the figure. Is the offer always gross?

Yes, you should make a gross offer, she will have been paid gross at the nursery.

Why wouldn't she have charge of both children?

Well she will, sorry, sleep deprived at the mo so maybe not making myself terribly clear. She will take my older son to nursery and so I suppose what I meant was that she will be with my youngest all day and then with both boys from 3pm.

I've only ever been offered net hourly wage as a nanny, and would have to do some serious maths to work out a gross week/month/year wage if 'quoted'.

That's 5 different employers by the way. She's minimal nanny experience but don't be surprised if she expects a specific hourly net wage.

I've got 6 years nanny experience and would take no less than £10 net as a live out, which is pretty standard. I'm unqualified.

Iron, it's traditional but unhelpful to use a net wage - what if the
Nanny gets some casual work on her day off, affecting her tax code?

Why do you want live in ? As means she will be about your home (her home) for 3 days and your hours arent long

obv live in are cheaper ??

Also seems Weird to pay extra nursery fees as well. Why not take eldest out of nursery and then put in pre school once gets 15free hours

Salary for 4 days live in with little exp - £350 gross

For only 4 days, not much experience, I would say £250/week. You can always increase by £25/week every 6 months/year if you are really happy with her.

"Also seems Weird to pay extra nursery fees as well. Why not take eldest out of nursery and then put in pre school once gets 15free hours"

And I agree with that.

Husband travels a lot you see so I'll need someone I can have around to take away pressure of nursery drop off and pick up. I work 4 days but the hours tend to be long and it's a high pressure job. I'm thinking of asking her for flexibility to work the odd Friday when DH isn't about and the odd Friday when I need to work. The reason for having older DC in nursery is it's a French nursery (maternelle - and they take the 15 hours free from December), we're keen to cultivate the French culture with children (DH is French). All a bit complicated I know and I absolutely know we're creating more work for ourselves in lots of ways but in another way maybe it will be a great experience? Surely if the live in nanny is a good fit then it can be good?

Appreciate all of the info on salary suggestions! Thanks, it's very helpful.

Oh, and we were never really keen on live in until I had a chat with this girl and realised she was an option. Money is definitely a factor too, I'm fairly sure we couldn't afford a live out. We were going to go for childminder before this option arose.

I don't have experience of live in wages in zone 2, as we are zone 4 and have a live out nanny.

But I would say that it is good to have soemwhere to go with a salary. So if you decide to go on the lower end of the figures that are being suggested to you, make it clear that, after a three month (or whatever period), it would be increased by X subject to everything going well. That gives her an incentive to do what she can to make it work.

We have always paid a very competitive rate for our nannies, depending on their experience/qualifications. I think it heps to show that you value your nanny (of course we show this in other ways too) and it helps create loyalty from them too.

This is a useful website www.mranchovy.com/calc/ so that you can present the figures to her, but also work out what it will cost you as an employer. There is also an insurance cost £100 and payroll charges just under £300 annually if memory serves

Salary
A nursery assistant with that level of experience is probably on about £16k per annum. I'd expect to have to pay about £20k per annum gross for a 4 day week so about £9.50 pr hr gross.
Given her experience, I would expect to give her a reasonably significant payrise if she passes her probationary period as that's a very low salary even for a live in I think in Zone 2. We were quoted £400-450 net a week for 50 hrs [and you want 42+babysitting] a week, over 5 days

Lack of experience
Regardless of her experience, does she have any formal childcare qualifications? Do you want her to qualify further and are you prepared to fund it in any way
Who will pay for her first aid certification?
Aside from bills - will she need a travel card to do the nursery run, take your 10 month old to groups etc, particularly in the holidays. It's a bit of a perk on top of the salary as tube travel is expensive and you might want to encourage her to get out and about in the evenings :) .

Thanks Tidy and Tread for the input. It's very helpful.

I agree that we should show her that we value her and pay well, within reason of course as she has no qualifications and only some experience. I had a chat with her yesterday to find out more. Seems she was on about £17k Gross at the nursery and was really struggling with that salary to even survive in London after all of her expenses. It turns out she was an au pair in Manchester for about 10 months, then 6 months as an assistant at my sons nursery. She has said that £350 net per week would be more attractive as a live in and that £10 net per hour as a live out would be reasonable. I think she may be asking for a lot - and i am genuinely a fair person, as i said in OP, i don't want to take the mick. She also talked a lot about possibly travelling from early 2016 and becoming a teacher abroad. She has no childcare qualifications and seems a lot more interested in teacher qualifications (TEFL). She talked very little about what she could bring to our family in terms of experience.

Hmmm... I feel that she wants a well paid nanny job to fund her traveling. Think perhaps I may be slightly naive!? Gotta run, crying baby!

For someone with a year and half experience and no qualifications I do feel she is asking for more then she really should. Agencies offer that wage for nannies with 3/5years childcare experience (which most want you to have to register on their books) and the fact next year more then likely she will be off travelling I might be in your best interest to keep on the search.

£10 net to live out maybe where she still won't save a penny in London. She is living in fantasy land imo. That's a gross salary of almost £28k per annum for someone with no qualifications and 6 months experience in a formal environment.

A £3k rise with no living expenses and three days off* a week with a further rise after 6 and 12 months is reasonable.

• you will need to pay extra if you want to guarantee that she will be available on extra days.

You could look for a French live in nanny?

See here: www.nannytax.co.uk/wages-survey/2014-survey-results

www.nannytax.co.uk/wages-survey/2014-survey-results