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Advice Sought - Grandparents Looking After Children

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daveyboy40 · 27/01/2015 22:35

Hi All

First time poster. It's maybe a bit of an odd set up (or perhaps it's more usual than I think!) but my family are set to be at loggerheads over an issue and despite my best attempts I can't think of a solution. Bear with me as I think that it's probably useful to set out the background (apologies for the mini essay but I don't know how other than this to convey the situation).

The situation is follows:

My sister has two children, a little one at nursery and the other in the first year of primary. For years our parents have helped look after the girls. They do this selflessly: they pay for all their own travel, get up really early in the morning and travel to where my sister lives which is a good minimum hour to two hours from where they have a place. They are never offered anything in terms of expenses: they even have to buy the children food and make their breakfast and lunch when they look after them, despite the fact that my sister and brother in law are very well off. In fact, when they return from work my mum and dad are treated essentially like hired help, told that they can go and never asked if they want to have dinner together. In truth, this treatment both angers and kind of horrifies me at times, given how uncaring it is.

Here's the rub: my parents adore the girls and vice versa. They have recently retired themselves (yes, they managed to fit in working themselves to look after the girls). My sister still expects the same level of support from my parents, and is unwilling to compromise on ANYTHING. Essentially: get your butts here first thing, look after them, then go so hubby and I can have quality time.

My dad does not have great health. They feel tremendously guilty but think they may need to cut down on their support of the girls because my dad has had a serious stroke. He also was involved in a major road accident and is now nervous about driving and would prefer not to. However, the quickest route to the girls is by car therefore that is what my sister insists on, irrespective of how stressed out it makes my dad. The girls are brilliant but very nervous little things and have confidence issues, my brother in law in particular can be very loud and commanding which can intimidate them. For that reason among others my parents are worried about how the girls would be without them in their life.

I live abroad (Canada) and rarely get to see anyone back in the UK. My parents have a really nice home which they always planned to retire to which is perfect for them to live in as they get older, but it is even further away than their apartment: the house is around 2 hours away (driving).

My parents are very stressed about the whole thing and keep looking to me for advice. My sister's view is that essentially they are servants and should do as she says, and should never be reimbursed or any compromise made.

I have no idea what to advise my parents anymore and don't want to give them any disastrous advice so I throw it open to to you guys, any thoughts or advice is hugely appreciated.

Thank You

Davey

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friendofsadgirl · 27/01/2015 23:23

Davey, how do you get on with your sister? Could you discuss this with her? I'd suggest your parents reduce the amount of childcare they do. If they move to their retirement home, could they watch the children for 2-3 consecutive days and stay overnight at your sister's house to reduce the travelling?
Sorry, not the greatest advice but hopefully someone with a better idea will come along soonHmm

daveyboy40 · 27/01/2015 23:34

Hiya

Generally I have a good relationship with her. However on the two occasions I have tried to raise the issue she becomes v aggressive and her last comment to me was "never discuss this with me again". That's half of the problem, she's not willing to compromise at all.

My parents have generally done a couple of days a week but I think that they are worried that they no longer have the stamina and that there own health may begin to suffer. In truth they have both worked their butts off in life and deserve some time together in retirement.

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YonicScrewdriver · 27/01/2015 23:46

I'd advise them to stop doing it, for the sake of their own health and also their DD's relationship with her children.

It sounds like a very extreme situation.

TendonQueen · 27/01/2015 23:55

I'd suggest to them they bend the truth and pull the doctor card. They tell your sister that your dad's consultant has said no driving more than a very short (10-15 min) journey, and that they have to cut down to one day a week childcare, travelling there by public transport. It's that or nothing as consultant is insistent he will write to the DVLA and get your dad's licence revoked if he doesn't do as he is told.

I say this rather than 'just tell her straight' because sister doesn't sound like someone who'd listen, and your parents sound like they would do better challenging this if using 'back up' from a higher authority.

friendofsadgirl · 27/01/2015 23:59

HmmHmm,
Maybe you could email your sister along the lines of "I'm a bit worried about parents. Think they're sounding exhausted. Do you think they need a break? Could they be trying to do too much?" If you ask her to help you keep informed about your parents health, would that maybe make her look at the situation more objectively rather than just viewing it as a loss of her free childcare?

daveyboy40 · 28/01/2015 00:23

Thanks everyone.

I think just one day would be sensible cutting down the amount of time.

I think it would also be fair to ask for something towards travel and or food for the girls. I don't want them bankrupting themselves (especially given my sister earns over 100k)

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mimishimmi · 28/01/2015 05:08

They are adults, they can and should say no. What do they think you can do? Perhaps invite them over to Canada for a few months so your sister has to come up with other arrangements might be a good idea.

Blondeshavemorefun · 28/01/2015 08:39

Why dont your parents say no if they don't want to do it? They Are grown ups and capable of stating what they want to do

Suggest a nanny agency and get sister do for help

daveyboy40 · 28/01/2015 08:47

Thanks all. It's because they are torn. They feel like they would be letting the girls down but are also conscious of their own health. I think in their minds it's easier to keep the status quo to avoid a huge fall out: there has been a hint that if they don't help then access to seeing the girls will be severly restricted on a "normal" i.e. Non looking after them basis so they at afraid of losing contact with their grandchildren

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glenthebattleostrich · 28/01/2015 08:53

Is there any way your parents could come visit you for an extended holiday, that would break the cycle and force your sister to sort alternative care.

Jinxxx · 28/01/2015 09:10

How about suggesting they drop the regular care (pleading medical advice if they like) but offer to have the girls at their retirement place for a few days each holiday, girls' parents to deliver and collect?

fluffymouse · 28/01/2015 11:17

It sounds like a truly horrific situation. I'm surprised your parents have put up with it for so long. Being expected to bring food for the children is really going beyond.

It sounds like they should end this arrangement, and perhaps just provide school holiday childcare, but on their own terms.

Tw1nkle · 28/01/2015 11:22

I'd tell your parents to take a holiday.....at least two weeks. Sounds like they deserve it. Get them to take it in school time. That way your sister will have to make alternative plans.......she will then hopefully realise that she has other options too.
Good lick, sounds awful.

cathpip · 28/01/2015 11:36

Well considering your sisters comment of "never discuss this with me again". I would email and be very blunt. Possibly something along the lines of "mum and dad are struggling massively, you are expecting them to provide child care for free, you offer nothing in return, with out wishing to spell it out, can you start sourcing other forms of child care and stop taking the piss "!
I am beyond gob smacked at your sisters attitude, cheeky cow!. oh and I second inviting them to Canada for an extended holiday......

FannyFanakapan · 28/01/2015 11:47

Tell you parents to book a couple of holidays - while they are still young enough and fit enough to enjoy themselves. And have them tell Dsis that from March, they will be enjoying their retirement and doing some travelling, dont want to be tied down, want to take advantage of lower costs during term time. But will happily take care of the girls for a week in the summer holidays, a couple of days in Half Term and the occasional weekend, but can no longer do school days.

Whats you DSis going to do....as soon as she realises how much holiday care is going to cost her and how she will need to be packing lunches and juggling childcare, having to make dinner when she comes home, having to shop for groceries....she will appreciate any time they can offer. Id also make them be firm that any time will be spent at your parents new home, and that they expect Dsis to transport the girls there and back, as your dad can no longer drive such distances.

I think your parents need to call her bluff. Yes there will be tears and tantrums and threats, but Dsis would be cutting off her nose to spite her face.
No doubt she will blame you too.....

daveyboy40 · 28/01/2015 12:50

Thanks everybody, I really, really appreciate it.

My mum even offered to move to my Sister's hometown before my parents retired and could have afforded it much more easily but was told by my sister that that would be "weird" and "claustrophobic". Ironically my sister has now suggested that they move close by but insists that this should only be to a "one bedroom apartment" as "they're much older now why would they need a house". My dad is resistant as he feels mum and him would essentially become 24 hour on call servants.he also enjoys his garden and home that he brought us up in because of the memories it holds

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Aridane · 28/01/2015 15:49

Oh dear, your poor parents.

petalunicorn · 28/01/2015 15:58

Honestly? I think your parents are grown ups who make their own choices. Some people enjoy being martyrs, even more so if they can then moan about it all to other daughter. At the end of the day they make the choice to be in this situation. If your sister is as selfish as you say she will be happy to deliver the kids for holidays childcare.

shakemysilliesout · 28/01/2015 16:49

I'd really stay out of this if I were you. Your parents are adults. It's kind of unhelpful how much they bitch about your sister to you. They need to tell her straight. I doubt she'd ban her kids from seeing their grandparents. From your sisters point of view she might not be thrilled to be told off by you who lives abroad.

Trooperslane · 28/01/2015 16:59

She's absolutely taking the piss

Agree invite your parents to yours (you can't go to Canada for the weekend!) and that will give them a break in continuity.

The doctor white lie is also a great idea.

You sound lovely op. I'm sorry your sister doesn't.

Hmm
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