CM Club - Questions about holidays

[looneytune]

I started childminding July 05 and in the first year, had no time off as couldn't afford to. I've now changed this so I get paid a reduced amount every month which takes into consideration 4 weeks off a year and we're all happy.

My question now is what if you take odd days and not always a week at a time? I have one full timer and the others are part timers so say I take a Friday off for example, this only affects the children who would be here on that day.

From next year it should be a lot easier as I will try my best to plan most of my holiday as weeks at a time but I'm just not sure about how to deal with the odd days?

I was going to put an example down but it's a complicated one so rather than confuse everyone, I thought I would just ask it like this for now and see what responses I get. If needed, I will put my example down so you know what I'm getting at.

Sorry if that was explained really badly!!!

TIA

think you'll have to work it out in days - 4wks = 20days. 20 days for each child.

but then I don't think that works either because those children on fri's will probably use all your days but then those on the mid week days will be getting a few extra days care but you won't be charging them because you've calculated care based on the 4 weeks off.

this is one for katymac me thinks

Cheers, glad you understand why I'm confused what to do I worked the 20 days thing, thought I was sorted then had all these questions in my head!!!

Katymac - you able to help?

Can it be done by hrs?

I'm not really withit this am

Let me think & I'll get back to you

I'm happy for it to be done any way Katymac, just wondered how everyone else deals with odd days.

Here's the example I didn't put at first:

The holiday I have taken is 2 weeks (Mon-Fri x 2) + 1 day (the Friday before). If you work this out as days then I've had 11 days off.

I used to get paid my usual amount and then wouldn't be paid if off, which is why I didn't take holiday. I know people usually put money aside to cover for when they are off but I would always end up spending it (say ds urgently needed something etc) so, I spoke to parents and we all agreed that I would be paid less each month but then still be paid the same amount when on holiday (so £x per week x 48 weeks/12 is what I get paid now). There's just one parent who's different and insists I get paid for holidays but we'll not complicate things any more.

This new arrangement started in June but I want the year to run from Jan-Dec as it makes things easier for my family and probably the parents too. This means that for this year, there are 7 months of me being paid this way. Of course I'm not entitled to the full 4 weeks holiday at this rate so I work it out to be 20 days (4 weeks) divided by 12 = 1.66666 days a month x 7 = 11.66666 days this year (although of course I can still take the extra time and just refund them some money).

I'm trying to work out what time to take for me moving house and this is where my brain turned to mush yesterday .

I have one mindee Mon-Fri, another on Monday's and Friday's and another on Tues, Wed & Thurs.

For the full timer, it's easy. I've got half day left (took 11 days this summer) but it's the Tues, Wed, Thurs mindee I can't work out (don't need to worry about the other as they pay me for hols).

So, for the midweek mindee I was on holiday for 6 days that I would normally have them.

I just can't get my head round how many days I should be able to have in this situation??? From next year I will tell current parents that I have 20 days holiday a year and then any new parents that may come along will be told what I have left to take (if any) when they come on board - I think that would be fair???

Gosh, told you it was complicated - bet you wish I hadn't put that example down now!

As a part timer (well 4-days a week), everything is 'pro-rata'. Therefore if you have 4 weeks holiday a year, you have to pro-rata this for the part time mindees.
So full time mindee (5 days a week) - you take 20 days holiday
part time mindee (3 days a week) - you take 12 days holiday
other part time mindee (2 days a week) - you take 8 days holiday

Sorry I will try to make this simple

example 1 - a full weeks holiday (starting with full allowance)
full time mindee - you have 15 days holiday left
part time mindee (3 days) - you have 9 days holiday left
part time mindee (2 days) - you have 6 days holiday left

example 2 - a holiday on Monday only (starting with full allowance)
full time mindee - you have 19 days holiday left
part time mindee (3 days) - you have 12 days holiday left (you don't take any time off them)
part time mindee (2 days) - you have 7 days holiday left.

example 3 - holiday from Monday to Wed inc (starting with full allowance)
full time mindee - you have 17 days holiday left
part time mindee (3 days) - you have 10 days holiday left
part time mindee (2 days) - you have 7 days holiday left

Roughly it means you can't have loads of long weekends as this will have to be balanced out by mid-week holiday, always useful for Christmas shopping etc.

You will need to have a spreadsheet or similar to keep track of what you have used and what each mindee has left of your holiday allowance.

Hope this helps
P.S. I love this type of maths

I just reread your post, and I didn't answer it properly last time. I would sy use weeks to calculate.
So over 7 months your holiday is
4*12/7 = 2.33333333333 weeks

full time mindee hols are 2.3333333333 * 5 = 11.6667
2 day mindee hols are 2.333333333 * 2 = 4.6667
3 day mindee hols are 2.333333333 * 3 = 7

But you have had 11 days (2 full weeks + a friday)

hols left are
full time mindee = 11.6667 - 11 = 0.6667
2 day mindee = 4.6667 - 5 = -0.333 (none left)
3 day mindee = 7 - 6 = 1 day

hope this makes more sense

i think the mistake you have done is to spread the cost over the year for your hols
what i do is charge full rates at £3 per hour, i take 4 weeks off a year and parents pay me 1/2 fees (£1.50 per hour) when they are off i charge full fees and when i'm off sick or the odd day i charge nothing
for example i went to a music concert the other week which started at 7pm so i closed at 3pm and didnt have any after schoolers so didnt charge them.
for you to spread the cost over the year is very good of you but what if they left just b4 your hols you would get nothing

Debbiethemum - THANK YOU That's just what I needed. I used to like working things like this out but since I've been working the longer hours and now the stress of the house move etc, my brain cells seem to have gone a bit!!!

dmo - thanks for your point, I understand where you are coming from but the agreement is that when they leave me, they either pay me the extra if I'm owed or I pay them if they've paid too much. They are all happy with this and so am I. It was just the easiest way for me to deal with it in my head! (well, until the complication of days came into it! )

Glad I could help

Oh you did!! Just need to set up a spreadsheet now!

So I'm not needed then [slightly offended smilie]