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Ellbell · 06/09/2006 22:14

My dds go to a wonderful cm, who has looked after them ever since we moved to the town where we live now, when dd1 was 3 and dd2 was 18 months. Dd2 in particular has no memory of ever having been looked after by anyone else, and our cm is like part of our family. At the moment, dd1 is 6 and dd2 is 4 and the arrangement is that we pay £4/hr after school for dd1 and £3/hr for dd2 when she's with the cm (and half that when she's at school, currently 2.5 hrs/day). In school holidays cm has them full-time but not 5 days/week and we pay £3/hr for both girls. We pay whether the cm has them or not (e.g. if I get home early and pick them up from school myself) as the cm is always available to work even if I don't actually need her to do so.

Now... after Christmas dd2 will be starting school full-time, and I expect that we'll be paying £4/hr for her too for the 2 hours per day that the cm will have her. The question is this. I've been a bit low recently about how little time I get to spend with my dds. I have no choice in term time (including half term, when I have to work as normal), because of what I do for a living (university lecturer), but we've decided that in the school holidays we'd like to try to make our own arrangements for the girls (dh can have some time off in the week if I really need to go into work, I can work in the evenings but spend time with the girls during the day, etc.). BUT I don't want to upset my really wonderful cm. What I'd LIKE to do, is for her to have my dds after school and during half terms, but not in the school holidays. As they will both be over 5 by then, they won't be taking up a place that could have been filled full-time by another child, so I am thinking that really there is no reason for me to go on paying my cm during the holidays. But do you think that this is unacceptable? I am aware that a large part of her income has come from me over the last 3 years and I really don't want to leave her in the lurch as it were. OTOH, she must be aware that the money she is getting from the Ellbell family will be dropping soon when dd2 goes to school full-time, and so she must be thinking about maybe looking for another younger child to take dd2's place and to boost her income.

So, here's my question (sorry it was long). Is it unreasonable to expect a cm to pick up my kids during school terms only (and to have them all day at half-term) but not to be paid through the school holidays? Or would you expect to be paid the full amount during the holidays (this would be approx £800 per year which I'd be paying her when I wasn't actually using her)? Or would it be reasonable for her to expect us to pay a retainer of some sort through the school holidays?

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dmo · 06/09/2006 22:19

no i have children term time only before and after school and i advertise for hol children only
this means i cant have the term time children in the hols as their places are filled (and i'm always full in the hols)
all my babies are term time only

ThePrisoner · 06/09/2006 22:22

I personally am happy not to have my minded schoolchildren during the school holidays, and I only charge parents for any hours/days that they use. I have quite a few children I care for, and it all seems to work out fine.

Most of my childminding friends think I'm loopy, and should charge something during the school holidays if I don't have the children (who sometimes stay with grandparents etc.)

I think quite a few MN childminders expect a retainer (or even full fee) for places not used in the holidays.

ThePrisoner · 06/09/2006 22:22

... except for me and dmo ...

dmo · 06/09/2006 22:29

yes term time children only pay me term time
and hol children only pay me hol time
works out good money wise

Ellbell · 06/09/2006 22:34

I can understand paying full fee when they are under 5, as the cm is unlikely to find someone who wants a full-time under-5's place in the school hols only. My dds stayed with their grandparents for two weeks this summer, but I paid the cm the full amount anyway. But once they are over 5 there's a lot more flexibility anyway in how many kids she can have, and so on. As I say, on the one hand I don't want to let her down as she is so fab, but on the other hand £800 is a helluva lot of money for a service we're not using. Hmmm... will raise it tactfully and see what she says.

The Prisoner and dmo, you are obviously lovely lovely cms, just like mine!

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Xena · 06/09/2006 22:37

I don't charge retainers in the holidays as it suits me to have less children when they are for full days iyswim. But I know other cm's who charge 50% of what they get term time in the holidays that they are not required.

ThePrisoner · 06/09/2006 22:40

If I have an under-5 who doesn't come in the school holidays, I don't have to "replace" that child with another under-5. I can have another in the 5-8 bracket, as long as I don't have more than six under-8s altogether.

Ellbell - thankyou!

dmo · 06/09/2006 22:42

i do the same p
all my babies are term time only but i replace them with 5-11yr olds
better for me no prams/nappies on days out

Ellbell · 06/09/2006 23:51

Thanks all of you. Will talk to cm now and hope for the best!

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Katymac · 07/09/2006 07:23

I am know on MN for being business minded & even I don't charge a retainer for holidays for after school children.

I would say however you might need to book your halfterms at the begining of each term - to ensure she has a place ( you would with me for instance)

Good Luck

Ellbell · 07/09/2006 15:49

Thanks Katymac.

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