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Changing from a CM to an Au Pair - anyone done this/any advice?

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TerrysNo2 · 17/06/2014 10:15

We have a lovely lovely CM but she has just increased her fees by 10% (we've been with her for a year) and it got me thinking about our options for September. DS will be in Y1 and DD will be starting at preschool. Our CM costs will be £293 per week whereas Au Pairs cost around £80/90 (right?). Financially that is a massive difference. Obviously there will be increased bills.

We would need our au pair to do school/preschool drop off pick ups and probably 3 afternoons of childcare for my 2yo.

Has anyone changed from a CM to an Au Pair? Or can you give me help in making this choice - pros/cons, experience of an Au Pair? We do have room in our house but it would mean sacrificing a bit of space.

TIA! :)

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HSMMaCM · 17/06/2014 11:03

Can au pair walk to pre school and school, or will you need another car?

TerrysNo2 · 17/06/2014 11:07

Both school and pre-school are 300m away so they can walk, town centre is also a 5 minute walk so although a car would be handy for some trips out, they don't really need one. I don't use one on my day off. And just to clarify, DD will be 3 in November, as I know its not recommended to use an au pair for toddlers.

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AMI88 · 17/06/2014 12:57

I think you have to prepare yourselves for a difference in care, and what a CM will do as opposed to an au pair.

Unfortunately sometimes fees do have to increase, but maybe it will be a smoother transition to find another CM within budget. That way you don't sacrifice space! X

Lonecatwithkitten · 17/06/2014 13:19

Yes you pay them cash 80/90, but you need to factor in food, extra electric/gas etc. do they need a car?
My au pair has a little car to run DD about in I would say all in car insurance, fuel, food and so on my au pair costs around £650 per month. She works 25 hours per week so not as many as your childminder does and my DD is older so needs less specific care and more supervision.

AMI88 · 17/06/2014 13:23

One thing to bear in mind is that CM don't necessarily put fees up every year (I don't anyway!) so if you can afford to, is it worth staying put? X

donkir · 17/06/2014 13:29

Have you considered a part time nanny/nanny share? I'm a 4 day nanny working 8.30-6 and take home 230 a week so less than your cm. The bonus of nannies is if they are registered you can use your childcare vouchers to pay them (if your company do them). Plus nannies are generally qualified to look after children whereas au-pairs are not.

PhoebeMcPeePee · 17/06/2014 13:31

If you can find someone a bit older who is good with younger children & don't mind sharing your home I think it sounds a good plan. A friend of mine did similar (although nanny to ap) when her youngest started pre-school & it worked very well but she did find organising activities for her youngest on the afternoons off worked well so factor in costs of this too.

TerrysNo2 · 17/06/2014 14:52

donkir not sure where you are but we had a nanny for the year they both needed full time childcare and we paid our nanny £320 a week and that was low compared to some other nannies (she was new to nannying) - we are in the South East.

As I said above, they wouldn't need a car, plenty to do nearby and we have a relatively big house so you don't feel couped up staying in.

AMI88 can you tell me what you think the difference in care is? Thats what I need to be aware of. Thanks

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HSMMaCM · 17/06/2014 17:05

A CM follows EYFS for one and will be actively looking for educational activities for your children.

Do you use childcare vouchers (or whatever the new scheme is) to get maximum discounts on childcare?

Lonecatwithkitten · 17/06/2014 17:09

APs will in general need a lot more hand holding so great following instructions not so great on own initiative.

Roseformeplease · 17/06/2014 17:16

We had an AP and it was wonderful. However, DH worked from home (sort of, hotel owner) and so was always on hand.

One tip was, when I paid on Sundays, I included a timetable of the week with regular activities, pick ups etc, what needed to be done. We had a Canadian arty type, a Polish musician, an Aussie swimming teacher and a British waste of space.....the children gained a huge amount from it and loved having energetic, exciting people to play with. I loved the 2-3 hours of cleaning as well!!

donkir · 17/06/2014 17:18

Terrysno2 you are correct my wages are higher. Trying to do 2 things at once. Mine are about £320. £1330 a month.

AMI88 · 17/06/2014 17:32

Hey OP- just that a CM has to have childcare qualifications, they are Ofsted inspected and will have to follow EYFS, which in theory provides them with a better knowledge base in what to do with and stimulate children.

An au pair, or my understanding of one at least, is that they are younger, have no childcare qualifications, and act more as a older sibling rather than childcare provider.

TerrysNo2 · 17/06/2014 20:31

I think CMs are great and that's why we've always had one so far (rather than using a nursery) but from September DD will be in preschool for the mornings so it won't be full time care anyway. The most important thing for me is that it's someone reliable who can have fun with them.

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AMI88 · 17/06/2014 20:50

You're right Terry's- we are great!
:)

Perhaps an au pair would suit you perfectly! X

longjane · 17/06/2014 22:16

What about holidays ?
When the kids are sick ?

And au pair can look after at these times but you should pay extra .

TerrysNo2 · 17/06/2014 22:21

longjane I was assuming we would pay them for all the time they live with us and we take 5 weeks holiday a year so they'd have that. I'm lucky that DH and I have quite flexible jobs so we usually look after the kids when they're ill.

the only issue we really have is sharing our personal space with someone 24/7, no more walking around the house naked Sad Wink

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longjane · 17/06/2014 22:25

What normally happens is they get paid say £80 for 30 hours work which is housework/childcare/ babysitting .

If they do any extra hours in school holiday/inset days/ kids sick/ extra babysitting
The should get paid more ( not everybody does )
It is extra cost/saving to add in

blueshoes · 17/06/2014 23:21

Good live-in care is life-changing. Babysitting on tap, you can leave the house without having to drag your children with you. Someone to let tradesmen in and sign for parcels. They can pick the children up quickly if they are ill and need collecting immediately. They can look after the children over the holidays for extra pocket money.

The con is finding the right person. I have learnt from experience that if you get an aupair who is not working out (usually you can guess from the first week), rather than persist, you should start performance managing and moving her on. When you have the right person, it is heaven.

meadowquark · 18/06/2014 09:55

Sorry no experience yet but I am doing the same thing from September. We have been with childminder/nursery, and changing to au-pair. I just hired one. I worked out that au-pair does not work out any cheaper (including increase of bills, wear and tear, emergencies etc) but if I get it right then the convenience of having her/him should pay off.

By the way we have not got extra bedroom in our house. Our 2 bedrooms will be for the kids and for the au pair, and we will sleep on a sofa bed in the living room. I do hope it is worth it.

TooBusyByHalf · 18/06/2014 13:35

An AP really suits us because of the flexibility, but the thing I underestimated was the hand holding. It is a LOT of organisation explaining what to do, where to go, how to get there, how to open a bank account, how to get the best phone deal, what to do when plans change, what to cook, how to cook, how to book bus / train travel in advance to get cheaper tickets, etc. etc. Our AP will do almost anything he is asked to do, and get it right most of the time, but almost never does anything on his own initiative. The previous one was similar (more initiative but not so good in other ways).

They key for me is not so much the money (though obviously if you can't afford a nanny or CM you can't), but what do you need? If you need regular hours, childcare only, each week, then you don't need an AP. If you need some mornings, but not all, different each week, some afternoons (ditto), some schlepping about to activities, some cooking, some playing footy in the garden, some babysitting and someone around so the dog's not lonely then an AP is ideal. You just need to make sure you count up what you're expecting and not asking too much.

The other thing I underestimated was the amount of food another adult needs (3 meals a day every day). Also, even if you, like me, eat toast, or a banana, or nothing, sometimes for lunch, s/he may want to cook a plate of pasta with meat and veg (or whatever), so you need to allow more than you think for that!

blueshoes · 19/06/2014 21:57

Toobusy, your aupair eats so much because he is a male. All my aupairs are female and it varies on the individual how much they eat - they generally do not add more than £15-20 a week more to the food bill. Many of them have some form of eating issue and weird dietary habits.

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