Nanny Salary and Working Hours - What'd the norm in Surrey (Kingston)

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I am returning to work and trying to find a nanny to care for my DD1 and DD2. I am so confused about the salary and working hours. I am offering a gross monthly salary ( between 2000 t0 2500 per month gross) for a permanent full time role; but nannies seem to be keen on agreeing on an hourly net rate.

I want 11 hrs cover per day but don't see myself using it very often. I can easily see myself using

Its your job and you can put whatever salary you like in your job ad. £2,500 a month, equates to £30,000/year gross salary so not insignificant, even with a 55 hour working week.

However, would it be easier if you put shorter hours in the contract, but made overtime contractual. How much notice do you get that you'll need to work longer, or is it just certain times of the year? As long as you made it absolutely clear when you employed your nanny that they must be available for overtime you may find it cheaper and easier to recruit a good candidate if you can offer the £10/hour net rate that London nannies seem to want.

Advertising gross rate is great. Nannies who can't understand that employers need to agree a gross salary I feel need to be educated in the way real jobs work.

Direct nannies to www.mranchovy.com/calc/ which will show them a calculation for Gross to Net based on the salary, hours per week, and taxcode. An individuals taxcode varies, so as the employer you should not agree a net wage... You agree a gross wage and the employees tax code determines how much tax is deducted.

2500 gross a month for 55 hours per week seems to calculate at a bit over £8 net per hour (£10.46 gross). That seems on the low side for West London / Surrey inside M25 to me but I am not in that area so don't know what is currently being agreed between nannies and employers. Have nannies given you any indication of what they want to earn? Some nannies may be wanting 3152 gross per month (£13.19 gross, around £10 net). Some may want more. However it is entirely up to you what you offer to pay and you are offering a lot but it is also a lot of hours so it will be high.

Can you compare to other jobs in the area? You can look at nanny job ads and some will show salary.

You need to agree to pay a certain number of hours per week, or per month, or per year. I would doubt that many nannies would be happy with getting 35 hours one week and 55 hours another week, they will have bills to pay so need to know what they will have coming in each month.

Nannies can do more than just care for your children, they can do some light housework, the children's laundry. They could care for one child whilst you spend 1:1 time with the other. So you could agree on set working hours and then sometimes you may be around, other times you are not.

Try to keep things simple. Messing with hours worked will mess up holiday entitlement and make pay each pay packet different, meaning repeatedly telling the payroll provider to do new calculations (or you having to do them).

Are you advertising the job at 55 hours per week, at 2500 gross per month? If that is the amount set in your budget, then put it in the ad and see who applies. If you get someone asking what is that net, give them the link to the PAYE calculator, it is up to them to get a feel for what it might be in their individual circumstance.

Thanks for your response Cindy and Karoleann. I want to offer a monthly salary exactly for the reasons mentioned by Cindy and also that I dont want to be counting how many hours the nanny works. I want the incentive in the jobs for me and the nanny to be happy / content kids. I know I love my job for the outcome I bring and appreciate the fact that I dont have to clock in a certain number of hours every day.

The fact that I may actually let them off earlier and use less wont impact the salary if I commit to a monthly gross.

But I see your point. Lowering the hours will enable me to offer a higher rate and I can offer overtime for extra hours.

Some may see it that you are wanting the nanny to be on-call for 20 hours a week. I think it is going to be a hard concept to explain to nannies. Set monthly pay but not set hours I am not sure will work.

Cindy, l am specifying the working hours. ( it's usually the first questions from prospective nannies :) ). So anything above that would be overtime.

Flipflop, IMO advertise salary per annulment for 55 hours per week.
Interested nannies will do the calculations themselves. It is a good salary for area you are in (Kingston).

Infact ,I know an after school/holiday nanny in Surbiton who would be interested.

This spell check is annoying annual not annulment!!!!!!

Overtime is meant to be consensual and I wouldn't take a job say for 35/40hrs a week but then get told if i need to work another 15 - I may have plans /another job

If you possibly need someone for 55hrs a week ie 5 days @ 11hrs the. You need to pay that amount

Agree your figure seems a tad low for the area - but again age depending and if have nwoc will be cheaper but around £10gross is low

Agree nannies need to know the diff between gross and nett and if they can't work it out theirselves using me a's calculator then I wouldn't want them looking after my children

Creaking crumpet - that's good to know.
Blondes - The thing is I don't see myself needing the 55hrs often. I don't know how many hrs a weeks I will need. I am returning to work but to a new job. But I take your point that you feel the salary is low. What's a typical monthly take home ? (Pls don't give me an hourly rate :) )

Your rates are low for a nanny in the Kingston area- I pay £10net and this is standard. I have the same concerns as you re tax etc, so the contract with my nanny is based on gross pay. Most nannies are fine with this, so long as it's worked out such that they do get the net hourly pay that they want. I use Nannypaye and they worked out the gross hourly wage, taking into account splitting the tax code etc (my nanny works for another family two days a week).

I know what you're saying about the nanny being capable of working out the pay - but good nannies will be interviewing you as much as you are interviewing them, so I've found it best to make it easy as possible for them to work out the pay. Also having set hours each week with contracted agreement on overtime at £x per hour, eg 10 hours per month to be agreed by x date etc, will be easier for nanny to work around as they'd know their core hours and know how much extra is expected.

My typical monthly income varies as I temp but as a perm nanny I only want and need to work 3 days so take home pay of about £1400 but if full time over £2k - this is gross of £13ph

Work out what you need or how many days you need. Ie I work 33/36hrs a week but over 3day 11/12hr days this leaving 2 days for to earn extra if I need to rather then say 4days with 9hrs

Monthly take home in Kingston, tricky, as it does depend on the working hours. Some nannies may be doing a 60 hour week, others may be doing 40, some may do less.

£2600 net (take home) a month possibly for 60 hours a week.
So maybe an average £2000-£2600.

35 hours a week for a nanny may be a 3 day a week job.
55 hours a week may be 5 days.

Are you wanting a nanny who will accept a 3 day a week job but then extend that to 5 days a week whenever you want?

What if the nanny already has plans, can you tell work you can't do the additional days x week but could do them y week?

It may appeal to someone but it might not appeal to the majority of nannies. Advertise the job, see what you get.

Thanks everyone, much clearer now. I think I will start with a 4 days a week temp job and use that to understand my requirements.

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