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Please help me out nanny budget

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twolittlemice · 10/05/2014 14:24

I'm doing this for the first time, and in a massive panic bit of a rush. Can anyone help me work out a budget for employing a nanny please? I understand the net /gross thing, and will be making an offer in gross I think. I'll use one of the pay companies to do tax/NI etc, but haven't found one yet.

I'm employing someone full-time, and am thinking a 45 hour week, will sometimes need more /sometimes less. Does it make sense to pay an hourly rate, confirming a minimum of, say, 35 hours with an agreement of paying per hour at the same rate over this up to, say 50 hours, then anything above this some sort of overtime rates? Or should I set a monthly salary stipulating a maximum hours?

Can anyone advise me on current market rates in the North of England for various levels of experience? I'm probably looking at youngish people with reasonable childcare experience in nurseries etc but fairly new to actual nannying, but also some more experienced nannies. I want to be fair, but have limited funds so want to get this right.

... also while I'm asking, can anyone recommend a good book / website to help me navigate being a new nanny employer?

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rubyslippers · 10/05/2014 14:42

Set an annual salary - much easier IME

rubyslippers · 10/05/2014 14:43

My payroll
Company offers a standard contract template which is useful and assume most of the others do as well

nannynick · 10/05/2014 14:52

Website wise here is the best place as you will get quite quick replies to queries.
I have put a variety of guidance on www.nannynick.com to save you searching though all my posts on here.

Salary wise, I would suggest agreeing an annual salary which is based on a certain number of hours per week. Then if you use more hours you add the hours on or have nanny take them off in lieu.
If you do not use all the hours, nanny still gets paid but it builds up brownie points for when you need to request extra hours.

How much varying the hours would there be? 35 to 50 is quite a difference, more than one day work.

Salary in area - have a look at job listings such as on nannyjob.co.uk
At a guess 8-11 gross an hour could be the range.

www.payefornannies.co.uk have been doing my payroll for years, don't think my boss has ever had a problem. Think they currently start from 125 a year for monthly payroll.

twolittlemice · 10/05/2014 16:37

Thanks so much for your advice both - I'll have a good look at the website.
Is there an easy way to work out an annual salary from an hourly rate?

I work a supposedly 40 hour week, with commute time this becomes 45, but some times of year are busy /slack for me, but I guess it would be unlikely to vary within an individual month, and I could probably muddle through the busy times by working at night.

Do full time nannies tend to like more /fewer hours? - I mean does the increase in pay more than compensate for the long hours? Is 'overtime rates' expected for time above normal working hours? I'm not sure what would make the job more attractive.

Any more tips on rates / salary / from anyone are welcome! its a live-out job btw

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juneybean · 10/05/2014 16:42

Rates in the north east are between 7-9 per hour depending on experience

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/05/2014 18:50

Big diff in hours

Ie 35 could be 3 day of almost twelve hours

So a part time nanny

45/50 5 days of 10hrs

A full time nanny

Ie if you need a nanny to be possibly free at your beck and call Wink then you need to pay a 5 day salary

Salary age / area / exp depending 8/13 gross

nannynick · 10/05/2014 20:06

I work a supposedly 40 hour week, with commute time this becomes 45

So you need someone who is able to commit to doing 45 hours per week.

That person may be willing to do more hours on occasion, in exchange for less hours another week. However you cannot insist that an employee does additional hours. It is not fair and can be a fast way to lose a nanny if you regularly arrive home beyond the pre-agreed time.

Do full time nannies tend to like more /fewer hours? - I mean does the increase in pay more than compensate for the long hours?

Salary is dependent on working hours to an extent but it is not the only factor. Experience, location and what parents can afford can affect what parents will offer. Nannies will need to earn a certain amount to pay their bills. Live-out nannies will have all the usual expenditure as anyone else living in your area, plus travel to/from work.

What is full-time? When I worked for Government 36 hours over 5 days was considered to be full-time. In nannying, a full time nanny could be doing 60 hours over 5 days. Part-time nannies can be doing 40 hours or more. So probably better to ask if a nanny who wants to work 5 days a week, wants to do 12 hour days, or prefer 8 hour days. The answer to that will vary depending on the individual nanny, some of us like getting up late and doing a few hours work before going home, others get up at crack of dawn and hope to get home before midnight.

These days I am more likely to go for a job where there are more hours per day but less days per week as that means I get full days off. So much nicer to work 4 days rather than 5.

Is 'overtime rates' expected for time above normal working hours?

Generally I would say no, overtime should be rare. It does not occur very often so could well be at the same hourly rate. Though there may be exceptions to that, such as if it is on a non-work day, rather than just a couple of hours added onto a usual working day.

I personally prefer to have time off in lieu. So I do a few hours extra there, then another time and after a while it builds up to a day off. It may not match exactly on hours, sometimes if may be less/more than the working hours for the day that is had off but overall if everyone is happy it is fine.

Problems I feel occur when people count hours. Parents and nannies agree an hourly rate and then they both count those hours, sometimes down to the nearest minute. I feel it works better with some flexibility as long as neither side is seen as taking advantage. If you get home early, let nanny leave early. If you get home late, nanny is likely to be much more understanding that you were a few minutes late home.

Would a nanny agree to an annual salary for doing a maximum of a certain number of hours a year or a month? Maybe but once the maximum has been reached, they may not then do anything more than that. What if the amount was not reached... would they get the same pay as the max hours amount? Would you calculate holiday as being 12.07% of the total yearly hours? What would the number of hours be for a day off? It may start to get messy. So I would aim to fix the hours per week as best you can.

45 hours this week, 55 hours next week, 35 hours another week... I can't see you finding a nanny who would agree to that, or hours changing weekly/monthly. You might, anything is possible these days, but I feel it would make recruitment a lot harder. People tend to need a regular income not one which varies, so I feel you need to try to make the job appealing to as many candidates as you can by fixing the hours as best you can in the hope they may do some occasional swaps on your quiet/busy weeks.

nannynick · 10/05/2014 20:15

How does it work in your job - if some weeks you do 40 hours but other weeks you do less, how does your employer decide pay, holiday?

twolittlemice · 11/05/2014 00:53

Thanks all the input - it's helping me to clarify exactly what it is that I want! Don't worry, I'm not planning to keep a nanny at my 'beck and call' or expect extra hours - anything above core hours would be by agreement, not expected, and I'd use a babysitter if nanny wasn't free. And of course I'd still pay the full wage if I didn't need them for all hours in a particular week /month. That's interesting that 35 hours would be considered part-time for a nanny, that hadn't occurred to me.
I appreciate the advice about flexibility on both sides rather than hour counting - that makes sense to me. I'll advertise based on my most likely hours then, with a discussion at interview about likely occasional additional hours available by negotiation.
Sounds like employers taking the p* about hours is a common problem then? I promise not to be one of those awful bosses Wink - although that's exactly what mine do.
.... so anyone know how to figure out a salary from an hourly wage?

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nannynick · 11/05/2014 08:18

Hourly amount x hours per week x 52

www.mranchovy.com/calc will do weekly, monthly, daily, hourly calculations.

twolittlemice · 11/05/2014 08:57

ah, ok thanks - I should have guessed that, shouldn't I Blush

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Artandco · 11/05/2014 09:04

I would say a nanny needed 5 days but only 45 hours would want a higher hourly rate than someone working 5 days and 60 hours, as they can't get a second job to make up 15 hours loss of pay

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