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Asking parents for more pay

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pearlish · 29/04/2014 18:56

Hi! I'm new. I have a question for you wise MNers.

I earn less than minimum wage in my otherwise lovely job as a part-time nanny. I want to bring this up and ask for more, but when and how? My arrivals and departures are rushed times for the parents and I communicate most info about the children's day by leaving notes. But asking for more pay in writing seems cowardly, plus I'm not sure how often they read the notes.
I could ask to talk to the parents about something and I'm sure they'd oblige but the idea frightens me as it seems like making a big deal out of it. Basically I'm afraid of how they might react I suppose. If anyone has any advice I'd really appreciate it!

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lovelynannytobe · 29/04/2014 19:14

It absolutely is a BIG deal if you live out and they are paying you less than minimum wage. It's your right to get at least that. It may be that they are unaware they need to pay you properly, deduct tax and NI and pay your holiday allowance. You need to sit down and talk top them asap.
Why did you take this job if the pay is below legal?

pearlish · 29/04/2014 19:30

I live in Ireland and unfortunately this seems quite common here, judging from ads on gumtree and so on. I'm used to charging less for babysitting or to people I know but as this is a more serious job it'd be nice to be paid properly and pay tax etc.

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pearlish · 29/04/2014 19:32

And when I took it I intended to talk to them about the pay but kept putting it off.

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Picturesinthefirelight · 29/04/2014 19:33

I'm a little confused. You talk about bring a nanny but then talk about arrivals & departures & parents in the plural which seems to indicate you are a childminder?

Do you work in your own home or the parents?

pearlish · 29/04/2014 19:41

Their home, two parents. Sorry that wasn't clear! I am actually called a childminder since nanny is a more rarely used word here (I think anyway) but I'm a nanny in the sense that I work for one family in their home.

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PotteringAlong · 29/04/2014 19:43

it'd be nice to be paid properly and pay tax etc.

More than that, it's a legal requirement!

PotteringAlong · 29/04/2014 19:44

Are you officially self employed, or employed by them?

pearlish · 29/04/2014 19:57

It's not clear. I answered an ad, did an interview, was offered the job and started. I'm paid in cash, an amount stated in the ad but not mentioned by the parents till they actually paid me for the first time.

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Picturesinthefirelight · 29/04/2014 20:01

The reason I asked was that in England & Wales there is a clear legal difference between a childminder who is self employed & charges for her services per child (working from her own home) & a nanny who is employed & subject to minimum wage & tax & works for one family (or two if a nanny share) in their home.

PotteringAlong · 29/04/2014 20:43

I'm with pictures - you need to be clear what the crack is here.

If they advertised and you answered that advert then I think they employ you and must pay you minimum wage / tax / NI / holiday pay etc.

If you are self employed you are liable for tax stuff and you don't want to fall foul of the inland revenue. Equally, you can name your price if you are self employed and if they don't like it walk away.

read this link

PotteringAlong · 29/04/2014 20:45

Sorry - meant to add the link breaks it down by how much you are paid. If it's over £153 a week they must pay you through PAYE.

nannynick · 29/04/2014 22:32

A quick page about childcare legislation in Ireland.

Some details of changes from Sept 2014

Can not find a great deal about nannies in Ireland. There is this PDF about taxation in 2012 which may be helpful.

If you look at ads on Gumtree in England/Wales/Scotland then you will see ads from people looking for in home help where some of them may not be aware of employment law and tax law requirements. So in that respect Gumtree (and other advertising sites) I feel are likely to be the same, they are just advert sites they are not advising parents in how to correctly employ a member of staff.

WorkplaceRelations.ie seems to be the place to get information about employment rights including national minimum wage. It seems to me that Workplace Relations Customer Services (Lo-call 1890 80 80 90) would be a place to contact with regard to establishing what employment rights you have, given the recruitment process.

As the parents paid you an amount they decided, not an amount you billed them for, then my guess would be that they would be considered to be your employer. However employment status is not as simple as that, certainly not in England, so I expect the same may be the case in Ireland - there will be various factors taken into account when determining employment status.

Do you communicate with the parents via email at all? It may not be any better than a note but it has the advantage of having a permanent copy of the correspondence.

If you were to ask them for more money, ask them to provide payslips showing tax deductions, would they do so? Or would they terminate the job and find someone who is happy to be paid at a low rate cash in hand?

Consider the implications on your future... if you are not paying towards things like Social Insurance then when you are age 66 (or whatever retirement age it will be come that time in your life as governments do tend to move the retirement age) then you may not have enough Social Insurance Contributions to qualify for the full pension. There are different classes of PRSI, not sure which a nanny would fall under, possibly Class A as that mentions working in "service type employment".

I do not know Irish employment law, so the above is just from what Google tells me. However I hope it at least gives you a starting point in trying to get these parents to do things correctly, rather than paying cash in hand.

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