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Childminders Club - dmo, and others with a majority of older kids.... sorry it's long!

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lunavix · 09/08/2006 20:16

How much educational stuff do you do with them?

When I had my littlies, we did the usual 'themes' and lots of little bits of learning mixed into the play. I have to be honest, I didn't do any of this long/medium/short term learning goal stuff, as quite frankly I didn't know about it until covering it on my nvq. I do plan to start incorporating a lot more things like this when I take on under 5s again.

The older kids sometimes got involved, sometimes not, I generally left it up to them. We always do a bus load of crafts, cooking etc and mixed in with a bit of tv/computer/outdoor play and outings days are easily filled.

I've really noticed the lack of educational stuff this holidays though - ironically so has dh! I only have my ds who is a toddler, and two mindees (8 and 10 years old) for the majority of the summer - which for me is only another week and a bit before the last 2 weeks which I have as holiday.

Their parents have never been too fussed about educational stuff, we've chatted but the consensus was that after a day at school they don't want to do anything even remotely school-like. This is the first holiday without my littlies though, so it's the first one where more educational stuff hasn't been 'discreetly' in the background.

We do at least a craft or cooking stuff a day, usually a trip out or a walk or the park or people over most days too, but the rest of the time I mostly leave the older ones to free play - suggesting activities and joining in and instigating things with my ds they will join in with - but it has just occured to me on a post with dmo that one in particular has watched rather a lot of tv....

The thing is I cut down on indoor activities (usually do a lot more than one or two a day but thought with it being summer they'd want to be out more) and I've just noticed we aren't really doing anything educational at all - so I'm wondering what everyone else is up to with their older ones????

So far this week, Monday we had another childminder over, my big lot played with their little lot, plus played in the garden, played some games etc, mostly free play but with half a dvd in the middle (for the other CMs littlies benefit as they don't nap anymore but still get tired.) I think my two might have had an hour ps2 in the morning, and an hour tv before going home.

Tuesday they played ps2 for an hour, before we went to the local park/picnic/lake doo dah for just over 6 hours. They had an hour of tv before going home, but both were shattered.

(this falls into a bit of a pattern.. they usually play ps2 first thing when they get here, and the tv shows they love are on just before they go home, so it follows that mostly!)

today, neither wanted to play ps2. One mindee, my ds and I sat down and did colouring and chatted for about 2 or 3 hours, we then went on a big walk into town, and the mindee who was colouring spent the best part of the afternoon outside playing with local friends with toys I'd got them today, bar about an hour of cooking we did together, and 30 min of tv (yep in the afternoon again!) The other, while he spent about an hour or so playing outside, and the same time cooking, had spent the rest of the day watching tv. COuldn't coax him into crafts, puzzles, colouring, more outdoor play (local kids only come out in afternoon) games, books, nothing.

And this has brought up the thought of educational stuff...

Having said that, what strategies would you other CMs use? I need more structure really to get him more involved, but the structure we had on the days with the little ones (eg 9am arts, 10am small world, 11am dressing up) the older ones won't follow.

I know I wouldn't be happy with my ds watching tv all day, but then parents are different, and I'm trying to follow the parents wishes whilst encouraging more... and I suppose it isn't all day every day.

Argh, why does childminding make me feel like more a failure than parenting does? And parentings the one that is meant to make you feel guilty!!!

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ThePrisoner · 09/08/2006 23:39

I try very very hard not to think "education" for any of my age groups. I only first started that way of thinking when I started my DCP, and it only got worse as I did my ECP. I was always acutely aware that all the things that I did with mindees were just "good fun" but, all of a sudden, a little voice in the background kept reminding me that "this would look good if I wrote it down as part of a daily plan." It was quite negative, and I felt as if some of the "fun" was being taken away from our play, as if I ought to ensure that the educational side of things was always there.

During the school holidays, I really try to just make things be relaxed and good fun. Playing rough and tumble games, being chased and tickled, doing generally daft things really! On paper, a trek in the woods can look really educational - in reality, we are looking for lions, tigers and bears (but I don't write that bit down!!)

I think you should have fun, the mindees should have fun, they will go home exhausted ... and then everyone will be happy.

Katymac · 09/08/2006 23:44

I don't do education at all

  • I think it's for grown ups

I might occasionally slip in some learning .....but only if we are really having fun

You know things like anerobic respiration (yeast) when we are making bread

seeds/growing when we plant them (after eating the fruit and seeing how far we can spit the seeds)

I don't like education

ThePrisoner · 09/08/2006 23:48

Mine often have burping competitions ... ... (the loudest/longest/most resonant) ... or seeing how far through the alphabet you can get on one burp ...

We obviously finish this off with a lesson in how the digestive system operates.

LoveMyGirls · 10/08/2006 08:22

children learn through play so therefore playing is learning/ education, it doesnt need to be structured. i think if you had one childminder that tried to plan everything and one that didnt the kids would both learn but the ones without a structured learning programme would learn faster with more fun? i've haven't done any research but this is my theory.

we're not teachers we are not trained, have not been to uni and we don't get a teachers salary.

i sit and draw with the kids, talk about shapes colours, numbers letters spelling etc etc but theres no plan to it.

dmo · 10/08/2006 09:39

just what i was going to say children learn through play
did my nneb when i was 16 and my nvq3 at 27 and its not changed that much
today we are going for a picnic to Beacon fell (i have 7 boys aged 5-10) so they will be climbing trees, running, hiding
planning to do a witch hunt
but really kids spend loads of time in school so hols are about playing
i tend to treat mindees how i would like my own to be treated and i'm sure they wouldnt want to come if i did formal work with them
saying that each day we write a bit in our diary about what we have done and i take photos to stick in (its a keepsake)
keep activitys playful and let the children enjoy being children

dmo · 10/08/2006 21:35

i like you lunavix you sound cool
your doing a fab job
your deff not a failure

Bozza · 10/08/2006 21:41

Agree with others about being more relaxed in the school hols. Having said that my 5yo came home with a work sheet of rhyming words where he'd filled in the first letter etc. But that is the first time since the end of term. However I also have to say that I would not be happy if I thought he had spent all but two hours watching TV. Is it possible to introduce set times for TV viewing?

ayla99 · 11/08/2006 18:28

One advantage I have since we've had the playroom. We take the little chairs into the lounge if we're going to watch tv - kids pretend they're in the cinema. Then at the end of the program or dvd we all traipse back into the playroom.

Otherwise you get "the next program's my favourite/but i've never seen this one" etc. Previously i used to turn the tv off & announce its time to go out (park or footabll etc).

5 year old brought round a 12 certificate dvd to watch last week. I have put in my handbook that I will only show U or PG (and then only if i've seen it first). Grrrrrrrr!

claddersfamily · 11/08/2006 21:26

One of my 5 year olds asked if we could watch big brother during the day as she knows its on all day cos she watches at weekends! I was horrified! We do one U film every few days and never TV. Even the cartoons are violent!

lunavix · 11/08/2006 21:52

thanks dmo

Just an update. Talked to parents today, who have reiterated that they're happy with the kids basically being independent with regards to activities etc. I asked about time being limited at home, they said they limit ps2 but not tv, although in the evenings parents watch their tv from 6ish, so kids play or go watch it in their own room. Like I said this only really affects one mindee, the other is easily engaged in activities and can't sit zombified as long!

I said I wasn't happy with the amount of tv time that mindee is potentially using. Like I've stressed on previous posts, it's not every day! We do tons of activities! But there's generally one day a week or a fortnight perhaps, when he's tired or a bit grumpy, and bar daily activities he won't want to do anything else. Other days he might watch next to none, generally when I keep them busy though not hugely out of choice.

I said I would like to instigate a limit on how much they're allowed, and the parents are fully supportive. We've agreed on two hours (that's all the time the tv will be on at all, so includes ps2 etc) a day, less during term time. It still seems a lot to me (I wouldn't have cartoons on during the day at all, personally. If the tv is on when it's just ds and I, it's on a music channel.) but I wanted a compromise which should be easily managed. Parents are really happy with this, like I said the one day he generally just sits doesn't bother them hugely but they've stressed as the kids love coming here they really don't mind what rules I impose or what they get up to!

So I feel a little bit complimented, and a little more in control

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dmo · 11/08/2006 23:45

good gald you feel more in control

Bozza · 12/08/2006 13:32

Sounds like you have got it well sorted. And maybe I was a bit out of order with my post if the parents were happy in the first place.

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