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Change of hours for nanny - advice?

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Bonnie1976 · 31/01/2014 18:38

We have a great nanny, but my younger child starts full time nursery (5 days 9am - 12pm) soon. I would love to keep her and i need someone to tale kids to school, pick one up at 12, the other at 3.15 plus holiday care etc., but she will not have much to do for a couple of hours each school day. She has been clear she will do kids' laundry but not ironing or cleaning for us which is fair enough, and she says she doesn't want to be without a child to look after for a good proportion of every day, as that's why she likes her job. Im sure she wont want to reduce her income by much. Has anyone successfully changed their nanny's hours, or are there any creative compromises I'm not thinking of?

If we can't keep her, will I find someone who would accept having two hours unpaid between 9.30 and 11.30am, or is that wishful taking...?

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NannyK7H · 31/01/2014 19:14

I was in this situation before. I worked for two families and both sons from each were starting preschool every morning. One family continued to pay me because the parents worked an hour away so needed someone around all morning incase of illness etc. But the other family didn't pay as they has grandparents who could have the son last minute if he was ill. Sometimes I would stay 3 hours later in the day though and receive the normal pay.
It was quite a nice treat to have a few hours off during the day! :)

nannynick · 31/01/2014 19:55

Have you been giving annual pay rises, or has salary been fairly stagnant for several years? Whilst you may view 9.30-11.30 to be time when the nanny should be unpaid, if you have not given pay rises for a while then you could view some of it as being a pay rise, though it isn't as the nanny gets no extra pay, gets some non-contact time instead.

Non-contact time - that's a useful way of looking at it, as unless you are in a job where you can drop things at a moments notice and pick your child up from school, the nanny is "on call" for anything that may occur.

She has been clear she will do kids' laundry but not ironing or cleaning for us which is fair enough.

Surprised she is not already doing some of that. Kids laundry does pile up and there is bedding as well to be done. General tidy around, not the same as deep cleaning the bathroom, is surely reasonable to expect if you are to continue paying usual salary for non-contact time.

Has anyone successfully changed their nanny's hours, or are there any creative compromises I'm not thinking of?

My hours have varied quite a bit over the past 5 years and do vary on a week to week basis sometimes due to my employers needs. However I still get paid for a specified number of hours per week, regardless of if I physically work those hours, or if they are contact or non-contact time.

will I find someone who would accept having two hours unpaid between 9.30 and 11.30am

Unlikely as they will still be on-call, will not be able to take on other work for such a short period, will be needed those hours during school holidays.

If you changed to using a childminder, many would still charge you for time a child is at pre-school. It is not until the child is at full-time school that costs change. Have you given thought to what will happen in a few years, when all your children at at school - are before/after school clubs an option in your area and would they fit with your timings?

What start time and finish time does your nanny typically have? That may be a key factor as you may not find any other form of a care for those hours. Could you change your work pattern such that you could take your child to pre-school? Then been near ish so you can be on-call. Then have a nanny for say 11.30-7pm? (or whatever time) Finding someone to do those hours may be easier than finding someone to come to your home, do a couple of hours, go back home, then come back to you again and do more hours. It's the travelling back and forth that adds to the employees costs and thus someone doing that may want more salary for the hours they are working.

Im sure she wont want to reduce her income by much.
Have you actually told her about the situation, asked her if she would consider having unpaid time during the day? Do not make assumptions as you do not know someone's financial situation - they may have needed the income when they started the job but things change over time and they may now be willing to renegotiate the salary. Easier for you and for them if they stay in the job - no job hunting for example.
So it comes back to that pay rise question - if they have not had a rise for a while, then they may be willing to renegotiate the salary so that they are paid more for the contact hours and paid a 'on-call' rate for the non-contact time. However the cost to you may well be very similar to now, so not a money saving.

Pre-school is optional and you certainly do not need to send a child 5 mornings a week - they may well benefit from a day or two at home, doing things out and about, visiting friends, having friends over to play.

lovelynannytobe · 31/01/2014 20:01

Really? You want to have somebody come in the morning do the school/nursery run then not pay them for 2 hours then have them come back at 11.30? It is a bit odd tbh. Is the 15 hours at nursery the government funded and you're not additionally paying for it? Do you want the nanny to be available to collect the children if they feel poorly within this time? If you want the nanny to be available then yes you should absolutely pay for this time.
Maybe you can get the nanny to do some shopping and batch cooking some kids' meals, prepare some activities for later etc or ask her to do some light housework.

FlorenceMattell · 31/01/2014 20:13

Children's washing and ironing. Cleaning children's bedrooms. Putting the food delivery away. Sewing name tags into school clothes. Preparing some of a evening meal for later. Surely all normal nanny jobs for an hour, hour and half each morning. The other hour could be unpaid break, I know early in the day but some nannys might be happy. Is there a gym near you?
I think if you want Nanny on call for sickness, snow days and to work that time in the holidays you need to pay her.

Bonnie1976 · 31/01/2014 21:21

Lots of great advice, thanks everyone. Should have been clear, our nanny already does kids laundry, tidying, light grocery shopping and errands. Good point that we need to talk to her and not make assumptions on what she wants to do, and i take the point about being on call. One mmajor issue is that she wants to have a child to look after rather than knocking round the house every day, so im wondering if my son really has to go to pre-school full time. I had thought that in nursery year he had to go 5 mornings a week, but now wondering if he had a day or two with her each week that might work.

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sleeplessinderbyshire · 01/02/2014 18:27

they get 15hr free. it has to be taken over 3 days or more but you could do 2x 9-3 days and 1x 9-12 day instead (or not bother with the preschool)

rainbowdaisy · 01/02/2014 19:13

You could just use nursery for a couple of mornings. You dont have to use all 15 hours. The children i nanny for go to nursery for two mornings a week 9-12. They are therefore able to mix with children that they will go to school with. The other days of the week we go to different groups in the area allowing them to mix with other children. There such confident children now and no so many different children and adults.

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