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unfair treatment of nanny/ please help!

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spica · 03/12/2013 01:24

My cousins daughter (M) has found a position in London and I think her employer is taking unfair advantage of her. She was offered a weekend job (Saturday morning to Sunday afternoon) looking after 2 young children, one 15 months.

In the first interview she found out that she would earn 400£ per month - about 90£ per week. That would have been ok as au-pair, where she would have also received accommodation and food, but is in my opinion too low for the time and type of work she has been asked to do. In addition to the Saturday 6:30 to Sunday 3pm the family "offered" her to arrive Friday evenings (6pm) and stay for the two nights, to safe the time to travel home. However, as it turns out, they asked her sleep in the children's bedroom and look after the kids at night. The parents also went out both evenings, effectively leaving her in sole charge until late at night. Even if I'd only count the two evenings with 5h each (they were longer) - as a babysitter she would have already earned more!

(M) however likes the family a lot and is really pleased she has found a job - particularly as she enjoys the work and has been promised more hour, recommendations to friends and a potential pay increase "later".

I'm really worried as I think she is taken advantage off - or am I being paranoid and should just see how it goes?
(M) is very sweet and goodhearted, but not from the UK and not familiar with local pay rates etc. She has 4 years experience as pre-school teacher, including disabled children, speaks excellent English plus an additional language which her employers requires (they bring children up bilingually), has a CRB check and studies child psychology, but has only 1 reference and not worked as a nanny before.

Please let me know what you think!

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Blondeshavemorefun · 03/12/2013 08:18

Very low paid but assuming M agreed happily to £90 for the weekend - as agreed at the interview

But the issue is that she started Friday night and was left with the children in their room and not paid extra

Personally I think the family are taking the piss and I would find another weekend job

So M can either turn up 6.30am and work for £90 over the weekend

Or discuss arriving Friday night and being paid

Or find a new weekend job

Know which one I would do - if the family are treating her like this now then god knows what they will be like in a few months

nannynick · 03/12/2013 09:32

Is it worth doing as a stepping stone to something better? Will they give a great reference? Does she need the money, if she can get babysitting work Fri night elsewhere then could she do that, then start on Sat early?

Unexpected · 03/12/2013 09:43

With her current job and previous experience, it sounds like she could easily find additional babysitting work for Friday night. She should just tell the family that she has another paying position on Fridays so will be turning up from her paid start time of 6.30 on Saturday morning, unless they would like to employ her on Friday nights instead? Then leave it with them.

MaternityNanny31 · 03/12/2013 11:13

Sounds awful to me and the novelty will soon wear off for her in her new job…

The family sounds like they want something for nothing, and without going into detail this sounds horrid!

I would only work as a weekend nanny these hours for £140 per 24hrs which i do get. I have seen similar jobs with own en suite room, weekend nanny jobs for £400 plus a weekend in London.

I would only work for a family over a weekend who clearly don't want to spend time with their own kids for very good money.

NomDeClavier · 03/12/2013 15:44

I think that's below minimum wage assuming she's on call for all Saturday night. The problem is she's accepted and started the job and risks losing it if she brings this up now unless she can somehow say that she misunderstood the hours and do they realise that they're only paying £x/hour when it needs to be £y (which depends on how old she is).

Unexpected · 03/12/2013 18:47

NMW doesn't apply to live-in positions though, which I suppose is technically what this is? Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can comment on that aspect. Dare I ask if they are paying tax and NI for your niece? Is this her only job?

lovelynannytobe · 03/12/2013 18:57

This is not a live in position as she has to have another place to stay for the rest of the week. If she was living with them 7 nights a week that would be different.

NomDeClavier · 03/12/2013 19:11

It isn't live in by the sound of things. Providing accommodation for 1 night doesn't count, although they could deduct the accommodation offset. I think they've deliberately kept under the threshold to avoid the tax/NI hassle and are relying on this girl not knowing the system. Or they're shockingly stupid and didn't do their research but ignorance is not a valid defense.

spica · 04/12/2013 07:53

Some really great comments - thanks all! The idea to get Friday evening babysitting jobs is great. Once she does this she will probably realise herself that she is underpaid.
One more question - do you all have contracts? She has so far not received one (neither been offered one) and has not yet been paid. (It's only 1 week)

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tablefor4 · 04/12/2013 15:49

Yes she should get a contract, which, at the minimum will state a) hours and b) whether pay is weekly or monthly. (Clearly it will have lots of other stuff too like holidays, sickness, food/meals etc, but those are the two crucial questions at present)

If the family are genuine, but a bit unorganised, then she should get a contract without hassle if she asks. If they are trying it on (and I know where I put my money...), then she should just leave. She does not need to make reference to this role when she is looking at other jobs.

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