First Aid course - paid?

[magicberry]

My nanny's first aid is quite out of date. I am thinking of organising a course for us both to attend, possibly in my house (any recommendations appreciated!) Obviously I would pay for the course but would I be expected to pay for her time while she is here if it is outside normal work hours (eg weekend?) Thanks.

Hard to know. Some nannies will do updated training themselves, in their own time and pay for it themselves. Others may want an employer to pay but would be happy to do it during their own time, others may want employer to pay plus pay them whilst attending the course.

I would doubt that running a course at your home would be viable unless you can get 6-10 people to attend. Have you found a first aid trainer who will do the course at your home, at a price that if affordable? What level of training is it - nannies will typically do a 6 hour or 12 hour course.

Do you need the nanny to be registered with Ofsted or any other regulatory body? If so, course content of first aid training will be specified in the registration documents.

Yes, it's training for the job so she should be paid for her time, getting a one to one first aid course at home sounds like it's a very expensive way of getting training - get yourselves on a St Johns Ambulance course/ also look up early years first aid courses in your area.

Childminders do their training in their own time. Maybe your nanny will.

I was always paid and it was always done in work hours with my employer taking the day off.

ive always paid for this myself and done it on a weekend.

I disagree, first aid training is for the nanny as much as the family. I have only had to use first aid on one of my charges in 28 years, I have used it on members of the public 7 times.

None of the nannies I know expect employers to pay for the course or time unless the family want an OFSTED registered nanny and then it is more beneficial to the family.

It's lovely that you are offering to pay for the course (and great that you are going to do it too!!) many of my employers have paid for mine but you don't have to pay for her time too, unless you want to.

my first aid is due in December. im not sure whether I should be paying for it myself? my ofsted reg comes up for renewal next month which will be their responsibility obviously, but I also have to pay my nanny insurance (61 £) this month and with xmas im worrying about 80 odd for the first aid!

I think this is a situation where it comes down to what the nanny 'came' with.

If you employ someone and they have a first aid certificate and it's a condition of their job that they keep it up to date then they generally pay, but you might give time off to go to the training or pay for the time. Many nannies don't ask that though, it's just a perk if they can get it.

If you employ someone without that training of you want them to do specific training (a 12 hour course, an OFSTED compliant course) then given that you were happy to employ then without it (unless it was a condition of getting the job that they obtain it) then you need to pay for them to do the training, particularly if it's an upgrade on something they already have.

'I think this is a situation where it comes down to what the nanny 'came' with.'

I disagree. Nannies are employees, refresher training is provided by the employers. A teacher comes qualified, but the school funds any training they need to do beyond that e.g. if the curriculum changes etc. same with nursery nurses, TA's and anyone else EMPLOYED in childcare.

Childminders are different because they're self-employed.

OP I think you need to talk to your nanny. Some will want to be paid, some won't mind.

Not necessarily outraged, but then nannies are also about the only employees who have a professional registration fee paid for them. Teachers are public sector and have CPD requirements and nurseries also have CPD obligations, that just doesn't apply to nannies. In most cases this kind of inset training is done to make the organisation look better or to comply with OFSTED's requirements.

In the OP's case the nanny didn't have a current First Aid cert so I think the employer should definitely pay and allow time for training, but where a nanny is employed on the understanding that they have and maintain that qualification it's a reasonable expectation that they take the necessary steps to do so. Equally if it's a requirement in an insurance policy that you are adequately trained and your employer requires that you hold insurance it's up to you to keep yourself in a state where your insurance is valid, or if your contract states it's your responsibility to keep yourself in a state suitable to be registered on the vOCR.

There is no legal right to be paid for time off for training, and nannies have virtually no rights to training time (unfortunately) because the rules kick in as of 250 employees. It's down to nanny and employer to negotiate it, ideally at interview but who thinks that far ahead?

Thanks all - I was looking at a 3 hour paediatric course so I had found something - hadn't realised a whole day was the norm. No she is not registered. I will look again at what's available. Just to reiterate I am happy to pay for the course, but a course plus a day's pay makes it quite expensive (although clearly it could be a critical skill to have). Thank you for all the opinions.

op try your local children centre. they have lot of courses and offer first aid for parents, which should be enoughfor your needs.you should pay her for time .you could give her time back andgive her the hours as paid leave

I've always paid for my first aid as think all professional nannies should have it as part of their job

I did a course about 6mths ago through TIGERLILY training (google them. Have lists of courses near you when put in postcode) and was fab - cost £80 and done in one Saturday tho is ok for ofsted as well

Never been paid for my time. It's good for me to have first aid as a person as well as a nanny