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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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Back to work...am I kidding myself

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lpy101 · 24/01/2013 18:09

I considering going back to work as a full time teacher. I'm looking into childcare options and I'm wondering if a nanny might be prepared to do this...

Start around 7.30am
Take boys to school.
Pick up younger son at midday. This is only until July.
Collect older son in the afternoon
Stay until 5.30pm
Take our dog for a short walk during the day at some point.
Possibly hang up a bit of washing, hoover a couple of times a week.

It would be term time only and my budget is about £60/day in Surrey/SW London borders.

Come Sept, she would pretty much have the day to herself. I don't mind if she has her own child particularly. As long as she is honest, reliable and my kids like her.

Anyone have any comments on this? Am I kidding myself someone would do this for this amount of money, term time only?

Thanks!!

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ssd · 24/01/2013 18:22

sounds great, wish you were near me, I'd do this in a shot!

Inclusionist · 24/01/2013 18:22

Maybe an Au Pair would fit the bill and do it for this much?

Inclusionist · 24/01/2013 18:26

ssd this would work out as about what I pay my CM for one child, inclusive of the fact that he is at pre-school for 3hrs. Would many nannies work on this budget?

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lpy101 · 24/01/2013 18:26

Ah! Ssd, shame you're not close!

Unfortunately no room for an au pair. Hardly enough room for us in our house!!

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Wishihadabs · 24/01/2013 18:29

From 730-530 is 10 hours, you are asking her to work for £6 ph. That is only just above mw. ....maybe newly qualified

ssd · 24/01/2013 18:30

am defo not close, but hope you find someone you all like

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lpy101 · 24/01/2013 18:43

Thanks! Given that most of the day will be her own whilst my boys are at school, she'd be getting paid for doing nothing. Well, that's my reasoning anyway!!

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Aldwick · 24/01/2013 18:55

I think if you specifically target a Nanny with their own child you could definitely find someone. Good Luck!

Mogandme · 24/01/2013 19:13

But Aldwick -for the first couple of months she will only "not be doing anything" for 3 hours max (dependant on school run timings - mine takes 10 minutes)

I will tell you - those 3 hours rush by; once you factor in the school run, put away the breakfast dishes, put on the wash, iron a couple of things, change beds, batch cook meals so that nanny and children can play/go out later.

As well as doing those jobs - you are also paying for the nanny to be on call - in the past 2 weeks - I have had 1 inset day, 1 snow day, 2 sick days and 1 call from school to be picked up as still sick day.

I know it looks like the nanny will be paid to do nothing - and sometimes I really am - but once I've factored in nursery duties and being on call it doesn't really make it my own time :)

Mogandme · 24/01/2013 19:15

Oh and I have 1 charge so all those days are for 1 child - imagine if DC had a sibling to spread germs too :)

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lpy101 · 24/01/2013 19:38

I wouldn't ask a nanny to look after my sick children! Believe me I've had enough of that having been a childminder! I don't think it's fair or a nanny's job to be a nurse!!
My parents are happy to stand in at times of emergency! Just not on a regular basis.
Also, not asking anyone to iron clothes - i don't even do that myself!! Hee hee! I don't fancy the idea of somebody changing our beds either! All i need is someone to drop my kids off, pick them up and give them dinner. Plus a quick walk round the block with our dog and maybe a quick once over the floor a couple of times.
I think by some of the responses my hopes have been dashed!! :-(((

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nbee84 · 24/01/2013 19:56

I think £60 per day will be plenty to get you a before and after school nanny in September but not really enough whilst your youngest is only at nursery in the mornings. As already said it works out at £6 per hour which is less than national minimum wage unless you employ somebody under the age of 21. Do you have other options you could explore for between now and end of term in July? Maybe a childminder and/or after school clubs.

nannynick · 24/01/2013 19:56

What salary would you offer? If 60 is the budget, salary will need to be lower as you will have costs on top (employers NI, running payroll unless you do it yourself, outings/activities, mileage if they use their car, insurance if they use your car, employers liability insurance if your homecontents insurance does not include it).

Plus as live-out, you need to comply with NMW which varies by age.

scarlettsmummy2 · 24/01/2013 19:57

Can you not just get a childminder? You wouldnt have to pay them while the children are at school, and could also get a cleaner. That's what I do and it works really well.

fraktion · 24/01/2013 20:03

I think the problem is that nannies expect to do more than you're asking, so it's not a nanny job. You've effectively de skilled it as much as possible which works really well for an au pair - and if you had space it would be a great solution - but not for a nanny.

ReetPetit · 24/01/2013 20:17

given your location,i doubt you will find a nanny,even with own child willing to statt at 7.30 and work 10 hrs for £60.
I charge £60 forr 10 hours as a cm.
I think you need a cm, at least until your youngest goes ft but bare in mind many dont start until 8am and you wpuld prob be charged double time per child for that 30mins.
from sept,i would say you could manage with breakfast/after school club and playscheme for holidays if you need it

TinyDiamond · 24/01/2013 20:24

I think the rate is too low for a 10 Hr day but it could work if you're just employing someone for the hours they actually need to work.
A nanny would want in the region of £10 ph.
I would think about possibly a post grad student who has experience with children and a flexible time table (many masters courses are especially after the first term) so they could fit their work around working for you.
I worked as a part time all year round and full time summer nanny from 2004-2007 in London around my studies and it worked really well

TinyDiamond · 24/01/2013 20:25

Also if you employ a nanny it is common practice for you to provide their meals whilst they are working too so this may possibly add to your costs

pettyprudence · 24/01/2013 21:38

Would a cm not be more suitable? Some will pick up from your house and drop off at school as well as pick up so you dont have to factor dropping them off at cm too.

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lpy101 · 24/01/2013 21:48

Hello all!
Thank you for all your responses.
As i said in the original post, I am looking at all childcare options. I am actually a childminder at the moment so of course I have considered that option first. Unfortunately £60/day will not cover a cm for what I need until July. In Sept this will probably the best option. Wrap around school club is ok for the afternoon but no good in the morning as it starts too late. I'm not sure a cm would take on just a morning drop off unless they have another family that only requires a pick up.
I wonder whether it's even worth going back to teaching but that's another matter for another thread!!
Thanks for all your suggestions though!!

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ZooAnimals · 24/01/2013 22:13

I think a nanny with their own child (and a partner with a good income) or a student would be your best bet.

£60 a day is £300 a week, if we say 38 weeks term time that's £11,400 a year. A nanny in Richmond is £12 (actually probably slightly more), that's £120 a day, £600 a week, 52 weeks a year £31,200.

There are not many nannies that will want to or who will be able to afford to earn £19,800 a year less than they could for doing essentially the same hours (even if a lot of those hours are sitting around doing nothing). Really you want a SAHM who wants a bit of extra cash in a job that fits around her DC's, but then you'll need her DC's to go to the same school as your DC's or to be under school age.

It's always worth advertising to see what sort of response you get though.

Inclusionist · 24/01/2013 22:14

If you find an CM very close to your school would 8am be ok? I am a teacher too and have my CM from 7.50 which gets me into school for 8am. I used to like to be in school early for the quiet time but have found 8am do-able.

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lpy101 · 24/01/2013 22:43

The school starts at 8am and the breakfast club opens at 7.45am. I would never get there on time!! Cms do open earlier.
I think i will just advertise and see who's about! Having said that, these are my most precious possessions so I won't just leave them with anyone!!

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ceeveebee · 24/01/2013 22:53

Nanny share? If you could find a local family with 1 pre school DC then you could both share the cost of a nanny?

Dozer · 24/01/2013 23:26

Your main problem could be getting through to July after which you will be home for the summer (often a childcare headache, teaching is fab in that respect at least!) and could probably get a CM lined up for September, you could spend more money than planned until July to attract a nanny, seek a nanny share, or just get a nanny from lunchtime and pay a friend or teenager or someone cash to do the morning drop-off. Or send your youngest to nursery/school all day.

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