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self employment?

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LittleAngels12 · 15/08/2012 21:52

Can you work as a nanny for one family and be self employed?

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confusedpixie · 15/08/2012 22:08

Most likely not, it depends on the circumstances though. You're best off checking the HMRC documentation to see if you're okay to be self employed. I know I'm not and I work for two families part time. Someone will probably be along with the link, I would link you to it myself but I find that site impossible to navigate Blush

HolyOlympicNamechangeBatman · 16/08/2012 00:31

I'd say, almost certainly, no.

Nannyto2 · 16/08/2012 08:39

Nannies can work self employed - not sure how though but I know a few who are self employed

frostymomma · 17/08/2012 15:27

I have looked on the HMRC website and can't find anything saying you can't be self employed if you are a nanny for one family only. I'm sure there are risks, for example if the nanny doesn't do a tax return when she says she's going to - from what I can make out, the family would then be liable. But I can't see anywhere where it says it's illegal. I'd be interested if anyone can shed any light on this.

HolyOlympicNamechangeBatman · 17/08/2012 15:32

to be self employed you have to show that you decide what hours you work/how much you charge etc etc. This is just not the case with the majority of nannies. The family decide what hours they need a nanny, how much they're going to pay etc.

There have been threads on this in the past with links to the actual conditions you need to meet to be self employed and the vast, vast majority of nannies do not meet these. Maybe do a search and see if you can find them?

nbee84 · 17/08/2012 16:33

From nannytax;

"Can't I just ask my nanny to sort out her own tax?" this is a question we're frequently asked by parents. Whether someone is employed or self-employed depends on the terms and conditions of their work. It is important for all employees to know their employment status as it affects employment and benefit rights, and how to pay tax and National Insurance Contributions.
It is equally important that the employer is absolutely certain whether their nanny is employed or self-employed.

How to determine employment status
A worker is probably considered employed if they:

have to do the work themselves
can be told at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it
work a set amount of hours
can be moved from task to task
are paid by the hour, week or month
can be paid overtime or receive bonus payments
A worker is probably considered self-employed if they:

can hire someone else to do their work or engage helpers at their own expense
risk their own money
provide the main items of equipment needed to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves
agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take
can decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services
regularly work for a number of people
have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense
*Please note that these lists are not exhaustive.

The expection to the rule
It's clear to see that in most cases nannies do not meet HMRC's criteria for self-employment. The childcarers that do are maternity nurses and childminders.

However in some cases HMRC do grant nannies self-employment status. It's very important to remember that if a family takes on a nanny who was previously self-employed they should contact the Revenue and request confirmation in writing that her status still applies in the new position.

Transfer of self-employment status between jobs is not automatic, and each situation should be considered individually. This is the employer's responsibility, and if they do not receive written confirmation from the Revenue and it later comes to light that nanny is not self-employed, then it's the employer, not the nanny who will pursued for unpaid taxes. And in the eyes of the law it is a criminal offence not to declare an employee and pay tax and NI contributions on their behalf.

Morph2 · 19/08/2012 21:18

If you work for one family and are paid as self employed then the risk of that being the wrong decision ie. you should have been treated as employed, is on the person paying you ie. the family, so if HMRC later decided you should have been employed then it is them that would be liable for extra tax and penalties (this is assuming you are not operating through your own limited company)

Xabian · 21/08/2012 19:10

how about if you're an "ofsted registered child homecarer" using your own contracts? (ie childminder but in the child's home rather than the childminders home)?

nbee84 · 21/08/2012 20:07

Xabian - that's just the Ofsted name for a nanny.

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