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Deregulation of the Early Years workforce

68 replies

Italiana · 07/08/2012 14:18

Article in Nursery World and letter from Gove to Ofsted make clear the whole workforce is to be deregulated not just c/ms !!!

www.nurseryworld.co.uk/.../Gove-signals-further-moves-towards-deregulation

media.education.gov.uk/.../secretary%20of%20states%20letter%20to%20her%20majestys%20chief%20inspector%20ofsted.pdf

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MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 09:52

If Ofsted only inspect once after registration - are they doing away with the Satisfactory/ Good/ Outstanding gradings?

As a new CM I was told at my Registration visit that I would only probably get a satisfactory grading. And that you work towards improving to good/ outstanding.

It seems unfair to be stuck with a Satisfactory/ Good forever more when you could work up to an Outstanding under the old system.
Likewise it is unfair that existing CM could keep their outstanding grading forever more and could just coast along not making much effort.

nannynick · 11/08/2012 10:01

How useful is grading? Do parents understand the differences between satisfactory, good, outstanding? Someone could be a very high good but not get quite enough marks to get Outstanding - is that Fair?

Surely someone either meets the legal requirements or they don't.

As far as I am aware there is no information about what happens about grading. The 'agency' - which could be a local authority early years department - would be inspected and graded.

Italiana · 11/08/2012 10:43

I have never heard anything like this before...it is confusing and untrue, you get the grade you are judged at each inspection ....now way you are stuck at Satisfactory if practice improves the same way you may drop to good if practice not outstanding
Inspections are now every 47 months unless practice is inadequate

Yes the agency would be graded that is why we must fight against it...do the NCMA survey and Childcare Commission and express your views
Deregulation has started but we can still have a say...as a colleague has said the train is leaving the station...be sure you are on it!!!

Plenty of documents on DfE and Ofsted website about all the changes coming in September and c/ms are getting individual letters too...don't put at bottom of your pile.

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nannynick · 11/08/2012 12:17

where do you get 47 months from?

MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 12:26

My point is that if CM aren't to be inspected every 3 years. But just inspected once after registering. (Is that what will happen? Did I read that right up thread?)
It makes grading pointless. As you have no way of improving.

nannynick · 11/08/2012 13:25

MaryPoppins - thats how I read the legislation. However no idea if I'm right or not. They could add things to EYFS and other documents. I think its early days, at this stage we don't know all that they are changing.

Maybe the inspection before Aug 2016 won't be graded but instead be a met/not met with Actions.
Removing the legal responsibility for Ofsted to do the inspections may not remove inspections. It may just mean that a non-government company could do inspections instead. Tribal already do some inspections for Ofsted.

Italiana · 11/08/2012 13:51

47 months is the new time limit...not 3 years...see ofsted documents recently released with this info

No way we are to be inspected once after registration..we never were...no document says that and you need to update your information

Inspections will be graded...the bit about met/not met is to do with your grading (meeting Welfare requirements etc etc)

Tribal are commissioned by ofsted, they are a private company
Under an agency the 'agency' will be inspected by Ofsted but because it will be one agency inspected it saves pots of money but we lose 'individual grades'

The agency will have to provide evidence that those belonging to it are practising high quality, training and also evidence CPD...in a few words the agency will have to give us a lot of paperwork to prove that, they may dictate our fees, take a percentage which may be used to provide training, do home visits maybe and...unless I am wrong they also get the c/vouchers as we will not be able to get those any more as we are deregistered from Ofsted

This is the reality of deregulation...sorry but you need to read the info sent to you and prepare...September is 3 weeks away !!!!
Are you ready for your inspection??

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nannynick · 11/08/2012 14:43

Please Italiana, when you say things are in a document, please can you link to it, or provide the document reference number. There are lots of documents it could be in, so which one specifically?

MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 14:53

What information sent to me? When was it sent?

Italiana · 11/08/2012 17:12

The individual letter to all c/ms was sent in August but not on website obviously listing all the changes 'from Sept 2012'
Another one will follow in Sept which will remove 'Conditions of registration' then the certificate will follow
If you have not received it call Ofsted

here are the latest publications all July 2012 except the one with the chnages about 3 year old funding

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/factsheet-childcare-numbers-and-ages-of-children-childminders-may-care-for

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/using-early-years-evaluation-schedule-guidance-for-inspectors-of-registered-early-years-settings-req

media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/s/statutory%20guidance.pdf

www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/conducting-early-years-inspections

Hope it helps

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MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 11/08/2012 18:31

I have not received that letter! I will get in touch with them. Thank you.

stomp · 12/08/2012 10:46

Italiana mentioned statutory guidance, i'm not aware of it. The Non Statutory guidance is the Development Matters materials. The statutory framework is not guidance. I'd love to see where that link might go to Smile

stomp · 12/08/2012 10:48

Italiana said 'Yesterday I had a meeting with Elizabeth Truss MP who advocates the 'agency' model...very interesting indeed!! '

Please share what was said Smile

HSMM · 12/08/2012 10:52

m.nurseryworld.co.uk/article/1144187/Gove-signals-further-moves-towards-deregulation?bulletin=nurseryworldupdate nursery world article today. Sorry my phone won'tdo the link

HSMM · 12/08/2012 10:53

Ooh! It did do the link

HSMM · 12/08/2012 10:56

And apologies if it's a duplicate of a previous link ... I'm losing track

Italiana · 12/08/2012 11:09

Since 2008 the EYFS has been a Statutory framework with the Development Matters being the supporting Guidance...nothing has changed so where is the confusion?

The EYFS 2012 remains statutory and Development Matters has been redrawn cutting the Early Learning Goals from 69 to 17 in addition we now have supporting documents to do the 2 year old progress check

My meeting with E Truss was interesting as we listened to her ideas and gave our ideas too...we have been asked to get back to her after reflecting on this...I look forward to another meeting soon.

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nannynick · 12/08/2012 13:12

Who is WE? Was there someone taking minutes, will they be published?

Secret meeting was it?

Italiana · 12/08/2012 14:24

No the meeting is not a secret..well advertised here and on Twitter..I was invited and went along with a colleague. We took notes on ideas ...now both sides reflecting...full stop for now !

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stomp · 12/08/2012 16:17

Obviously you do not want to share your notes. Can I ask what was the point in you going if you are not prepared to disseminate the information?

nannynick · 12/08/2012 17:22

Who is Italiana - a Norfolk childminder, or is there more to it than that?

Useful to have someone go to meetings with Truss but not so useful if it does not result in us knowing more about what Government may be planning.

Italiana · 12/08/2012 17:58

I am not from Norfolk..far from it ...neither is she, only the MP for the consituenc
I am just someone who exchanged info with the MP as I am interested in listening to her ideas and understanding where she is coming from or wants to go, I think that is public property and well published

The meeting was not to represent anybody it was her invitation...the meeting was informative and there was every point in going and I look forward to the next one

Ms Truss has met many c/ms and visited many nurseries, anyone can ask to see her...the remarks here are out of place considering we are fighting against deregulation to save our businesses

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Italiana · 12/08/2012 18:03

Sorry meant 'constituency'..
If you want to know what the govt is planning read the article in Nursery World and letter from Gove to Sir Michael Wilshaw which I posted in this thread...very clearly we are now in phase 1 of deregulation...

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maples · 12/08/2012 18:04

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