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How to get dynamic right? Nanny will also 'support parenting'

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 02/08/2012 00:55

Hoping for some advice here!
I am disabled & am interviewing now to employ a nappy/ housekeeper who will sometimes be solely in charge of my 2.5 yr little boy, & sometimes be 'helping me parent', ie be my hands/ back, set up activities & hover in background helping physically as I need it.

My question is how can I make this work for the nanny? She ll be recruited to do this but even so it's a difficult relationship... & I get the impression most nannies/ child minders don't like parents underfoot all the time & find it hard to do their job.

Am extra worried as I had one nanny before who is leaving, & it was awful, she said yes to everytjing in the interview, but it turned out she really didnt eant me around, she got overly possessive of ds, left me calling & calling for her to bring him in when he was crying at my door, was really awkward & uncomfortable if I tried to join them in the lounge, & I kind of gave up & I haven't spent half as much time with my little one as I wanted cos she made it too difficult.

Anyway, determined this can't happen again... But worried about how to manage it (esp

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 02/08/2012 00:57

Drat pressed wrong button on phone!
I wanted to say ... Especially as I am in alot of pain so find it difficult to 'manage someone' for long periods of time... & can't manage without help so very difficult to let someone go.

Any advice welcome!

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Musomathsci · 02/08/2012 01:04

Tricky. All I can say, having employed 3 nannies (2 were great, I sacked the 3rd) is do trust your instincts, and don't be rushed into taking someone on, just because you need to have someone there by a certain date. If at all possible, interview plenty of people and take your time to find the right person (not always practical, I know). You need to be really honest about your situation and be clear about what you want / expect from the nanny. It's always going to be a leap of faith to some extent, and having another person in your life who spends a lot of time with your child is never easy. Good luck and I hope you find someone lovely this time.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 02/08/2012 01:10

Thank you, it's really difficult to find the right person, especially as I can't do all the interviewing & have to rely on friends doing phone interviews & preliminary face to face... It means that personal dynamic is over looked (& people get upset if I don't like who they picked for me!). Trying to be tougher this time & keep thinking about what will work for me (argh!).

I do think one mistake I made last time is picking someone who seemed ultra keen & very emotional about me/ds/ the job. I mistook neediness for enthusiasm! I think she half wanted to be my friend, & half wanted to be the centre of ds world, so that was never going to be a great combination! Worried about all the other pit falls out there, & the best way to set it all up once I've employed someone...

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HolyOlympicNamechangeBatman · 02/08/2012 01:42

I don't know the nature of your disability, so don't know if this would be possible for you, but I would suggest a really good routine would help early on. It will be very difficult for the nanny to know what she is meant to be doing when sometimes she should have sole charge, sometimes she should leave you alone, sometimes she should hover in the background, sometimes she should be hands on, but shared care etc. If you could organise something like;

8am - nanny arrives, sorts breakfast
8:30-9:30am - you play with DS, she tidies up breakfast things, puts some washing on
9:30/10:00-11:30-12:00 - she takes DS out to an activity
12:00-1:00 - she sorts lunch and tidies up after, hangs washing
1:00-2:00 - she get's a break, while DS sleeps/watches a bit of TV/you read to him
2:00-3:00 - she sets up an activity and helps you to run it
3:00-5:00 - she does some housekeeping tasks and sorts supper, while you play with DS, she's on hand to help you.
5:00 - supper, clean up
6:00pm - nanny leaves

Just an example, but I think if someone could come into the job with what is expected of them clearly marked out I think it will be much easier for everyone. I'd show them at the interview to make sure they understand exactly what you want.

Have you tried SNAP? They provide nannies for children with disabilities/additional needs, but they might be able to help you find someone who has got a better idea of how to assist you than your average nanny.

Good Luck

Trickle · 02/08/2012 03:02

I just wanted to let you know you are not alone, although I've gone a different route as I have personal care needs I have a P.A. who is supposed to be supporting my parenting role in September when my baby comes. She won't ever have sole charge but negotiating the relationship is really hard, and we're expected to do this with no management training or experience. In some ways it is easier because the boundries are (supposedly) firmer ie. I am always the parent and she is only there to help me not to provide childcare.

For me I'm not sure a routine would help very much - it's a damn good idea, but due to the nature of my disability it's just not always possible to know what I'm going to be abel to do.

I've had to go about it in more of giving an idea of my capabilities, the ways in which I will/may need assistance and the style of parenting I'd like to approach (pfb so I get to do that Grin ).

If things arn't working do arrange supervision for your employee - basically write out everything thats annoying you or not working and try to find a solution. Have a meeting and discuss how things arn't working and why and ask your employee if they can think of any solutions that will solve the problem - sometimes their solutions will be better than yours. Always warn them this will be happening (I gave 24 hours notice at the end of a shift so the employee doesn't spend the whole shift worrying about the next day) and ask them to think of things that arn't working well for them (they don't have to bring a ready made solution just the problem, you brainstorm together). You'd be suprised how often it's the same things, even if it's not it makes it feel less onesided and confrontational for you both.

I've definatly found organisation is the key, so set routines for separate tasks if you like, the tasks may change and vary but the routine for each task stays the same. For instance my wetroom isn't levelled properly so towels must be put on the floor, we kept running out of towels, towels were being left wet on the floor and sometimes being put in the basket wet. We now have three designated black towels (no other towels are black) for the floor, once wet they must either be hung up or put straight into the washing machine. No more smelly towels. I also have to wear TED stockings, only have two pairs - so to get a clean pair they must be hand washed everyday, that's DH's job BUT the P.A. is the one who helps me get dressed. Socks kept getting missed (I did keep asking for P.A. to give socks to DH but she just wasn't understanding that meant TO him not just left in sight). At the meeting it was made clear that the socks must be placed in DH's hands - this protects P.A. from getting the blame for lack of socks and DH never forgets if he is handed something, I always have cleans socks and everyone is happy. I try to think of it as a system not working rather than it being the persons fault, if we can perfect the system so everyone knows what they are supposed to do and can follow it things run smoothly.

Also the main thing I looked for was someone who really really understood that things would be done MY WAY! That they throughly understood that no matter how much assistance I ended up needing they were just a physical body to help. It sounds really harsh but my P.A. is fully ready to support me in an attatchment parenting style, it's completly alien to her, but my baby, my rules and she really seems to 'get' that. I have no idea if it will work in practice but we have everything but the parental assistance set up in a way that is least annoying to me (the only way I'd be happy is if I could get rid of her and go back to doing it all myself that is not going to happen though).

As far as the nanny that made you feel uncomfortable I'm afraid we'd have had a supervision about what support I needed from her and why was she feeling unable to provide it, could she think of a solution that meant I would feel supported rather than excluded. Had that not worked I would have moved onto disciplinary procedures, I know it's hard to manage people, I know it's very very hard to find people, but if they arn't doing what you need them to you may as well send your child to a normal childcare provider - it's unacceptable to be made to feel out of place in your own home with your own child.

Sorry that's so long Blush I really hope you find someone you can rely on.

Rubirosa · 02/08/2012 16:17

I would think about getting someone young/newly qualified in their first nanny job. They will be willing to learn and not set in their ways, and more amenable to the shared care. More of a mother's help than a nanny. I would advertise as a mother's help rather than a nanny role and make clear that the job is to assist you rather than be the child's nanny.

Karoleann · 02/08/2012 21:59

I've always had "shared care nannnies" but I've always find at least in the early days it works best if we're both not in the house at the same time. I think the poster above is right and advertise it as a mothers help role rather than a nanny.
I've written a nanny bible for mine, which comprised of childrens routines, how stuff works in the house (dishwasher/washing machine etc) and also what she is expected to do on a daily basis.
Usually then the week before (usually Monday) I'll explain what is happening the following week, so she has plenty of time to plan stuff.
for example: monday I'll be out with chilld 2 til 3pm Tuesday with child 2. Wednesday I'm out all day. etc.
I'd also get her to do a few really really fun day trips/actvities with your little one.

Karoleann · 02/08/2012 22:00

I also forgot to mention, employ someone you actually could like as a friend.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 02/08/2012 22:09

Thanks for all the great posts!

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greenwichgroove · 02/08/2012 22:16

I used to be a nanny and did this.
The easiest way we did it was to know the next day I would have sole care that day, or could I give her a hand etc. While a nanny obviously needs to use initiative I think in this case its easier to be clear on a day to day basis what you need the next day.

As for the getting too close, I loved those children, I would have risked my own life for them but I was not their mum and would never have kept them ftom her.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 02/08/2012 22:49

right now on laptop to reply properly! this will be a long time as am working things out as i type - sorry.

its good to know that what i've been doing is not far off some of the suggestions. I think am just really nervous because the last one was such an awful experience for me!

I did the meetings & positive problem solving stuff with her, and the daily schedule, and explaining over and over why i needed things done in a certain way... but basically, she was the wrong person and i blamed myself for it not working instead of getting rid of her and re-recruiting. i must NOT do this again!!!

It ended up like that because i didn't have enough experience of being disabled and employing people to help, because i followed the council's fatally flawed advice (!), because I don't have anyone else to support me (h left when i got ill) and that leaves me very desperate for help, and very vulnerable to being taken advantage of (however much it kills me to admit this!), and also, that I am not well enough to go through the recruitment process by myself, so had to 'make the best of it' so as not to disappoint/ alienate the family friends that helped me.

Right - lessons learnt! ignoring council who decided that it was perfectly feasible to have the same person to help with all my personal care, household care, respite (nannying) and supporting parenting. No one can do that job! too many competing priorities, and with me the way i am, I was the one who retreated and got none of my needs met!

I also assumed the jobs of looking after me and looking after ds were quite similar, and they just aren't. as someone wrote earlier (sorry forget who!), supporting parenting being a 'carer' means being someones arms, legs. back... but not sort of, 'pushing yourself' into the centre of the situation. Being a nanny when parents aren't there in the day means building a one on one relationship with the child and in a way being a main protagonist in the moment - not saying it clearly but hope someone knows what i mean! this creates different skill sets, but also different expectations and rewards in the job.

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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 02/08/2012 22:55

Now unfortunately, I've got a lot worse (again), so need even more help, and although the council have raised my finding a bit, its only to 2/3 of the amount they assessed me as needing (oh the joys of social care). SO i basically have less money than i need, and need to split it more ways as have divided up the roles so as to have a hope of it working this time!

Role 1 - mothers help/ housekeeper. this is the 'nanny role' i was talking about, but mothers help is a better name. they would do the daily cleaning, looking after DS and 'fetching & carrying' for me, as well as 'supporting parenting', and cooking dinner. am still worried about the dynamic here as they will have sole care sometimes, then be supporting parenting also. ISSUE ONE!

Role 2 - personal assistant/ organiser/ driver. this person would do getting me to all the hosp appointments, helping me do all the household management/ admin, typing for me occasionally, shopping, and helping me move around the house a bit, moving things out of my way and stuff like that,

Role 3 - no funding for this , but really hoping someone changes their mind! helping me get ready in the morning, and at night, and helping me wash etc. i know it sounds weird to be missing this role as its so important, but i'd rather have my toddler well looked after, and bills paid, hospital appointments gone to than i would be showered and dressed. tough choices!

The things that i am trying to juggle and work out how to best manage someone to help me are

  • SOLE CARE / ME AROUND too ill to go out whilst the mothers help person is here - believe me I'd LOVE to! my equivalent of going out is asking her to shut the bedroom door, which is what i got stuck into before, and the more i was trapped in my bedroom, the more trapped i became as she didn't see the point of making the house me-friendly if i was in bed all the time, and i couldn't get out of bed as the house wasn't set up right (argh!)... although it will be uncomfortable for the person to bond with ds in front of me, they'll just have to get used to it as i can't solve this one! i will send them out on a trip every day though so they get 'together time' that way. A KEY ISSUE in employing someone
  • PLANNING/ SCHEDULING some things can be done on a schedule but most things can't, as i can't yet anticipate when i'll be well enough to do things, and have to grab the moment or miss it. i.e. can't say, 'after lunch will spend 30 mins playing with ds', as who knows what i'll be like then! i'll have to think more about how this can work... A KEY ISSUE in employing someone
  • MANAGING i don't have the strength/ energy/ pain free time or movement to micro manage someone, but i need things doing 'my way' or it will make things more difficult for me e.g. will i be able to get to the bathroom or not, or eat or not depends on things being in position in a way that wouldn't really occur to someone who wasn't disabled ANOTHER KEY ISSUE!
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DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 02/08/2012 22:56

oh so long! don't mind if no one reads that!

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nbee84 · 02/08/2012 23:17

No useful advice for you but just wanted to say that I hope you get it all sorted and that it works well for you this time Flowers

Rubirosa · 03/08/2012 08:57

I would - find an experienced PA who has done the role before, whocan do the driving, shopping and your personal care. It seems pretty standard that a PA role encompasses both role 2 & 3. Find someone who can hit the ground running and really understands the role.

Then, find a mother's help - maybe even an au pair if you have room? I feel inexperienced is the way to go with this role - but definitely someone you personally like. Limit the sole care if possible (care in the house with you around so they can ask you questions etc) until you are confident enough in her abilities that she can take your ds out.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 05/08/2012 02:20

Oooh might have found someone for the mothers help role, she's young but her last job was looking after a very ill mum & her child - yay!!! She's wanting more money though & have to do a scrabble to find it, but she was answering qs before I'd even asked them!

For the PA I have two quite good candidates... One v young but really really keen on job for personal reasons, one older than me & would be quite motherly in the role I think.... Not sure which to accept!

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