rates for central London nanny working with own baby

[Mummyinthedark]

We need to agree an hourly rate for our nanny returning from mat leave, working with her baby in our house.
Will be updating the contract to reflect various changes we've agreed between us. We need to adjust the nett hourly rate and want to come up with something fair but reflective of the difference between full attention to our family versus a division of attention between our family and her own baby's needs.
We would really appreciate any examples of rates others are paying/getting in this circumstance.

thanks

I would offer her 70% of what you were paying before. Seems fair to me.

We are zone 2/3, but we paid 80% if that helps. I don't do net agreements though - do think about whether you mean x% of previous net, or previous gross.

Thanks, very helpful. I feel awful negotiating somone i like and trust to a lower pay rate but the rational part of me tells me it's fair ( and I suppose I would get resentful about paying a full rate and getting a different kind of interaction with my DC if I didn't reflect this in terms of the salary).

I'll try and find a minute to give the agency we used a call to ask them if they have come across similar circumstances and what salaries were offered or agreed on.

I'll report back in case anyone else is interested.

About to call agency.

Any more views/experiences?

Thanks

Agency says normal practice is, as others have suggested, reduce salary by about 20 per cent, adjusting to reflect how highly valued the individual nanny is.

Some people take off a %, but tbh everyone I know of has paid the same if it's someone who is returning as opposed to someone new.

It can be very easy to loose nanny as they can't afford to take less do just be prepared that that could happen.

did you not discuss this when she said she wanted to return to work with her baby?

When I returned when I had my children I stayed on the same money.

Blondes. I said we would set out proposed new hours Anne duties and then discuss, I want to be able to include proposed salary in that discussion.
Until we had that initial conversation I wasn't sure she would be coming back at all.

Sorry, iPad typos - not Anne, and!

As a nanny if I were to go on maternity leave I would want to have organised coming back and salary/ hours before I left as would need to look elsewhere otherwise

Seems a tad strange

Why strange? Quite a few women I know thought they'd want to go back to work before they had a baby, then, once it was born couldn't bear to leave it.

Before ML started our nanny had planned to come back, but leave her baby with someone else. However, I was not very surprised when we talked recently, that she now feels she doesn't want to do this, and wants to try to reach an accommodation about having the baby with her.

Two friends one didn't cut salary but nanny became just after school nanny, so 3-6 5 days a week. Second cut rate from £10/ hour to £8/ hour.
It's okay fair that you should be paying less as they're looking after another child as well as your own. You wouldn't expect to pay the same if a nanny took another unrelated child into a nanny share, so why should it be any different if it's her own?

I think a 20-30% reduction is fair when I do ad-hoc work and would need to take my little one with me I offer a 1/3 off my normal rates although have only ever taken him on one occasion.

Its a luxury to be able to take your child to work with you and she will have no childcare costs to consider, whereas for many of us (inc me I work 4 days in my NHS job) a good 40-75% of our salary goes on childcare.

Remember to write into contract what happens when her child is ill - ie if she doesnt come in what happens with pay. Is she happy to bring her child to work if your child/ren are unwell inc contagious illness' as for you the advantage of a nanny is they care for your unwell children which obv a nursery or cm wouldnt.

Good luck and hope all works out for you.

I agree nightnanny - it is a massive luxury to be able to bring your child with you to work, both at a personal level and a financial one.

I can understand people saying that the nanny might not be able to 'afford' to take a pay cut, but if she goes to another job surely the new employer is likely to expect to discount too? And it's not like the situation where an employee is paying for childcare and it cancels out her earnings, so it might not be worth returning. I know it is in no way the same as she is still caring for her own child, but at a purely financial level I know many women who would give their eye teeth for having children to have only dented their earnings by 20%.

Thanks. Really appreciate these comments, some good advice and some good insights into the emotional/maternal aspect.

I think I am going to offer a rate just a small cut below what we were paying - I do want my nanny to still feel very highly valued. I do agree, being able to bring your child to work is a great option that is not available to many of us.

Hi there, we've had two 'nannies with own child'.. both had their babies at the start though, and both went on mat leave and did not return.

I didn't pay less for Nanny with own child, but with hindsight, (and were I to have a nanny with own child again), I would.

I now have a nanny without a child, and the difference in what my children are able to do / plans for trips / order the house is in etc. is very noticeable in my case. Having said that, both my NWOC were lovely, totally reliable and very high standard, and there were definitely plus points, but my current nanny and her child-free status would be my future preference.

I think it's right to renegotiate, especially as your nanny said she wasn't planning on bringing her baby in the first instance (although you were obv right to second guess that!).

The 20% reduction sounds very fair to me. Tough as it seems, if your nanny isn't happy with that (which she may not be, and I can see both sides as she may initially think she can carry on as exactly as before) I would consider if you are better off with a new nanny.. Very much depends on how you value your nanny and what her bond with your children is I guess.

Meant to say good luck!

Thanks BBCessex - and others. This has been a useful thread, hope it benefits anyone else in similar circumstances.

I think a 20% reduction is very generous, childcare used to eat up 80% of my salary.

have always said a nwoc should earn less as they are not giving 100% attention to your children and is a HUGE perk to be able to take your baby to work and not pay any childcare fees

20% seems about the average drop -

I am a Nanny who returned to work after having my little boy and i took him with me. I agreed a drop from £10 and hour to £8 an hour.

I think you are right to offer a reduced payment. As a childminder, I have the advantage of looking after my own children too, but it does take a dent in my pay packet. They take up a proportion of the quota I'm registered for, meaning until they are older, I do not earn my potential.

Niamh

I think you are right to offer a reduced payment. As a childminder, I have the advantage of looking after my own children too, but it does take a dent in my pay packet. They take up a proportion of the quota I'm registered for, meaning until they are older, I do not earn my potential.

Niamh