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Nannies -ballpark cost

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WhatWillSantaBring · 17/07/2012 13:59

I am sure this is dependent on a million factors, but outside London what is the range of costs for a nanny? We're looking at buying a house and DC2 is on its way, so I'm just trying to work out what childcare costs will be when (if?) I go back to work after ML so I can work out what mortage we can afford.

So roughly, looking after 2 children (or maybe three - I'm convinced its twins!) aged 1-3, four or five days a week, 8-6.

Other than experience, what factors that influence the amount you have to pay? (e.g. other duties, provision of a car (is that essential?) number of kids etc)

Alternatively, is there an internet resource that has the answers to these questions?

Thank you!

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HolyCameraConfusionBatman · 17/07/2012 14:30

There has been a million threads on this in the past so do a search here to find estimate figures.

Wages vary a lot by area, the best thing to do is look on nannyjob, childcare.co.uk, gumtree, at some local agency websites and see what salary range jobs in your area are being advertised at.

In terms of what factors influence pay; location is definitely the biggest factor, age, experience and qualifications of the nanny will also have an affect. Nannies are not normally paid per child so number of children won't make a huge difference (though you may find someone with one child is able to offer slightly less than someone with 4 children for example). Nationality makes a big difference, those with poor English/just arrived in the country will often accept much less than those with good English/have been here for a while, who in turn will accept less than an English mother tongue/born here nanny.

It basically comes down to supply and demand, if you can offer a 'nice' job with perks such as; car if one is needed/extra holiday/laid back work environment/no duties other than childcare/bit of downtime during the day etc etc then you will have more applicants and will be more able to negotiate the price down. If the job is unappealing you may have to offer more money to get people to apply. It is very much an employers market at the moment though!

Rubirosa · 17/07/2012 14:36

Outside London, full time live-out - maybe gross annual salary of £21k-£29k depending on quals, experience etc. Absolute minimum (for example a young, unqualified/newly qualified girl doing a 40 hour week) maybe £14.5K.

You will need to pay your own NI, mileage, expenses, kitty money, provide lunch etc on top of that.

rubyslippers · 17/07/2012 14:55

It costs me £20k

Salary, tax and NI, bonus and weekly kitty

Am in the south east

nannynick · 17/07/2012 17:08

Location may make some difference, though it's probably a combination of location and the persons experience that makes the salary difference, as even in lower cost areas to live I would imagine that experienced nannies will want good pay.

As a nanny about 25 miles outside of London, over the years I have had salaries from £7 to £10.50 per hour Gross.

The number of children you have I don't feel makes a difference... as a nanny I've worked for families with 2, 3, 4 children. The more children they had didn't mean more pay. It was far more to do with my experience level and also with what the parents could afford to pay.

Whilst nannies may want a certain income, if they can't get that then would they not take a job at all? Some hold out for the salary they desire, whereas others will feel an income is better than none, so will accept something lower with the aim of moving on to something better later.

A calculation for a 3 day a week nanny - this will give you some idea of the costs involved, such as day-to-day expenses, travel whilst on duty, payroll. That example works out as over £20,000 for 30 hours a week (it is based on a salary of £10 gross per hour).

You are looking at 40, 50 hours, so the salary you agree is the important thing, as if you agreed £7 gross per hour, then that's going to cost a lot less then £10 gross per hour.

MrAnchovy's PAYE Calculator will let you play with financial figures. You enter in the number of days per week, number of hours, then complete either the Gross per hour, Net per Hour, Gross or Net per Month, Gross or Net per year. So you could see how a certain hourly rate multiplies out as an annual salary, plus what the Employers NI (the tax you pay as the employer) is on that salary.

Use websites like NannyJob.co.uk Childcare.co.uk Gumtree.com to see if you can find any adverts for nannies which give details of salary for the area in which you are considering buying a house. That may help to show market rates, though there will be people prepared to work for less, they just may be hard to find.

As Holy says, the job has to be appealing to the sort of nanny you would want to employ. If you lived in a small village miles from anywhere... where would the nanny live? Probably not in the village as it probably costs too much. I am assuming you are looking at a Live-Out nanny... so you need to look at things like where would the nanny most likely live, how far would someone be prepared to travel. You are already looking at house prices, so also look at prices and rental costs of Studio Flats / 1 Bed Flats. Could a nanny afford to live within say 10 miles of where you would be living? On the estate I live on, a 1 bed maisonette is £135-£140k, Studio flat rental £550pcm. I live in Surrey close to the Berkshire/North Hampshire border - an expensive area but an area where there are nanny jobs.

WhatWillSantaBring · 18/07/2012 13:36

Thank you - sorry, I didn't mean to be quite so lazy. For some reason I totally forgot to search MN for previous threads on this.

Basically the answer is: We can't afford to buy a house. God I'm depressed now!

thank you

:)

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nannynick · 18/07/2012 14:35

If you don't have twins, you may find a registered childminder to be a lower cost option as you are not wanting very early start time or late finish time. Childminders fees vary, it can be £3.50-5.00 an hour, per child.

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