Nannytax/NannyPAYE Anyone recommend either? Or employment type solicitor?

[bluebear]

We need help to create a contract for a nanny-share situation, and also the usual PAYE, payslips and tax management stuff.
Does anyone use one of these companies (or similar) - any recommendations.

Or, can anyone recommend some sort of legal expert that can help us with the contract?

TIA

For contract suggestions, you could have a look at bestbear

The "sharing-care" website (link to it is on the bestbear page above) has tons of info on nanny-sharing - but maybe you've found that already

thanks!

I'd suggest NannyPAYE - only because they previde FREE advice to nannies which helps educate nannies.

However, you can do the tax side all yourself - the Employers CD-ROM is really quite good these days.

Contacts wise, it's more complicated.
What sort of nanny-share are you starting?
Is the nanny working in one place, with the other family coming to that place every day?
While you will need an agreement with the nanny, you will also be best advised to get an agreement
with the other family concerned - as what happens if they want to pull out, what happens about cost of heat/light/wear and tear/activities/transport/ food (the list can go on and on). How will you be sharing these costs? What if a child is ill... what if the nanny is ill, what if a family needs to change the days/hours etc.

Example contracts for a typical nanny job (not a nanny share) are available. I can not locate any for a Nanny Share, guess they are just too personal for there to be examples around. Has anyone located an example of a Nanny Share contract, or Nanny Share Agreement between families?

Thanks Nannynick,

I have a couple of examples of a regular nanny contract now, but no examples of shared ones.

The nanny is working in both homes - mainly in ours but because I come home from work at 3pm she is going to take the 'share' baby back to baby's house (only 5 mins walk from ours) so she can have tea etc in her own house.
We have discussed all of the issues you've mentioned with the other family and have very amicably come to an arrangement (basically as we were going to employ this nanny anyway we are happy to pick up all light/heat etc as it would be the same no matter how many children, food will be covered by whichever household the meal is in and transport/activities are 50:50..also covered ill children and ill nanny/holiday nanny and we are being quite laid-back about the hours etc..just 50:50 the daily charge if both families use the nanny that day, we already know that hours and days will change in the next few months so have costed the various splits for each household, and guarenteed the nanny will get the same hourly rate each month with a certain minimum number of hours (sounds complicated but basically we are paying her for more hours than we will need just in case we need them and to ensure she earns enough)
We were thinking that if either family needs to terminate the agreement (or cut down below a certain number of hours such that the second family couldn't afford to pay the nanny the remainder of her salary) that we would need 2 months notice of the change..the first month to try to find another family to share with, and the second month to allow for giving the nanny a month notice if another share isn't found.
The situation is also complicated by the fact that the nanny has her own baby which she is bringing with her on some days (he's welcome at anytime and the number of children would be within OFSTED childminder ratio but the nanny would like him to spend some time with her parents)..I guess we need to put this into the contract too - same sort of reassurances that his food, etc are covered by the householder not the nanny.
I also want to put in that we will cover nanny's training needs eg. re-newing first aid cert when due, and the CRB fee for nanny approval scheme (haven't seen this in any of the standard contracts so far).

Think we need some sort of employment law specialist but I'll ring NannyPAYE on Monday and see if they have experience of this sort of agreement.

Any nannies out there? Another question - how did your employer welcome you to the household? I was thinking of putting together a file with sections on the house (where the stop cock is, fuse box, how to work the cooker timer etc); the children (medical info; fav toys); the local amenities (free play sessions, buses to library, etc); and things that we have to play with that aren't obvious Ipop-up tent; craft stuff etc)...I'm probably being over paranoid as I won't be at home when she starts - dh will!..the children have known her for years so there's no problem with them settling with her, I just want her to be 'at home' as soom as poss...anyway..would a file be over-the-top, insulting, or useful?

I'm impressed you appear to have been thinking a lot about this and have covered many of the potential issues that could arise. Sounds like you and the other family involved will be great employers.

With regard to offering to pay CRB/CAS type fees, I feel that is a good decision. The high cost of CAS registration (currently £96) puts nannies off, unless their employer is at least helping towards it. The cost is so high that I have actually written to my MP and Ruth Kelly MP to complain - as childminders pay £14, bit of a difference!

Nanny insurance is something else you might consider covering. Nanny insurance can be obtained from Morton Michel the standard policy covers most nanny shares.

Welcome pack... nope didn't get one of those. Before starting my current job, I spent a few hours over a period of weeks getting to know the children and exploring the house.
Having a welcome pack of some kind sounds a great idea. Certainly, the nanny should know where to find the Red (NHS) Books and details of local clinic/doctor/hospital in case of emergency.
Any FREE activities in the area are certainly worth listing, as they can be tricky to find plus encourages the nanny to use them, rather than more costly activites.

Thanks for the encouragement nannynick - funnily enough insurance is the next item at the top of my list

Bluebear, I am in a similar position as you, and am just about to employ a nanny. She's spent 2 full days with the LOs and they got on great with her.

I'm meeting with her on Friday to go through contract etc, and wondered how you got on with the the tax side. Are you going to do it yourself or get one of the agencies to help? Are you paying gross or net?

Did you get written references or did you phone?

My nanny is a local girl,who is well thought of so I don't expect any dark secrets to emerge

OMG sorry about all the questions tell me to get lost if you want

Any advice will be gratefully received

Hi Redtartanlass - sorry, only just saw your post.

We will def. be using a company to sort out the tax - we have agreed a gross wage with the nanny. I have rung Nannypaye and spoken to them, but they wanted each family in the share to register separately and pay seperate tax (because it would save on NI payments) - I'm not convinced that this is legal in our situation (Nanny has children of both families at the same time, not two seperate part-time jobs) so I am now looking at Nannytax...haven't decided yet.

As for references, I have to admit I didn't get any formal refs as we have known our nanny for at least 3 years, she was ds's keyworker when he was at nursery, and she has been babysitting for us over the last year or so. She has offered to get some, but I am happy employing her without...obviously wouldn't do this for any other nanny.

Good luck, hope it works out well.

Oh, and we downloaded a number of example contracts from the web and compared them. I thought the one from nannyjob.co.uk was best and have amended that to suit us.

Do a search on Nanny Wage and you will fnd them. NannyTax charge £220+vat or thereabouts which is alot. Nannywage who I used about a year ago charge £99+vat per annum and give the same service as the one above. Have no experience with nannypaye.

My employers always used nanny tax who were always helpful and prompt.
Not sure about contracts tho.

I use nannypaye. No complaints. Cheaper than nannytax. They are not as knowledgable on employment advice as nannytax. But, I have no complaints.

thanks bluebear ended up phoning nannypaye. He was incredibly helpful,considering it was late evening . So have decided to go with them.

Our wonderful new nanny has experience of being paid by nannytax and says they often have mixed up payslip details. Suggests that we could do it ourselves???
We had thought of using nannytax rather than nannyPaye as they seem to offer more thorough employment advice, and this is our first nanny-we want to get things right.
The nannytax website worringly has some references to nanny sharing (she will be with us for 3 days, works 2 days elsewhere)that suggests that you should adjust between families and not have split. Sounds complicated to me.
Anyone know more?

hi

i have used nannypaye and was happy with the service. why not give them a call, ask your questions and see what you think?

hth.

Agree with Bossykate. Contact nannypaye. Never had any payslip mix ups. And,I'm on nanny number 3.

I've used Nannytax for nearly a year and have found them brilliant. They do charge £250 but you get that back through the Revenue's 'bonus' for filing your info online (which Nannytax does for you). I've found their legal department very useful too.
Would never dream of doing any of this stuff ourselves anyway, so worth every penny.

Hi MadChad - I'm using NannyPaye (I began this thread a couple of months ago), we have set up a nannyshare and NannyPaye have given us a lot of advice.
My advice would be to give nannypaye a ring and talk to them about your situation - I did this a few times before I decided to go with them. They will be able to discuss the options of tax splitting etc and will let you decide what you want to do (they can give you the costs/savings of each way etc).

We use Nannypaye, which was recommended to us on here. Have had no problems, in fact they've gone out of their way to be halpful. No payslip mistakes either.

Thanks, the speedy feedback is much appreciated.