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pugh · 23/03/2012 11:40

I am due back at work after dc2. They will be 3&1 by the time I go back full time. Full time means 3 days regular commitment (800-1800) and unpredictable night time work ( during week & weekends a couple of times a month). Plus occasional meetings on non work days.

Currently dc1 is in a nursery -prev full time when I was working to cover unexpected needs. But an expensive option for the occasional need. We don't have any family etc who could do short notice /flexible help out. Plan was for dd2 to go to same nursery.

However, I have bend contacted by a person that has childcare qualifications& knows us & the kids re the option of being a nanny.

Our biggest worries are the usual :drop off& pick ups. DH's job is changing and tho he did the majority of kiddie drop offs previously,his new work will involve a bigger commute. He ight also be doing more travelling

What are the feelings of having a nanny? My worries include

  1. Cost? though we are fortunate enought or be able to consider this. TBH full time nursery will be quite expensive too (~£1500/month)
  2. I was thinking could have a nanny for the 3 days I work but organise extra flexibility when needed or is that being too hopeful?
3.kids not hanging in out w other children though there will be the two of them
  1. Having someone in my house all the time/kids getting so close to one other person
  2. Being someone's employer
  3. Depending on one person entirely-what if they are sick etc
  4. Planning leave around your childcarer

I have only listed negatives while I also feel there are many positives (but that would make the post even longer !)

Thoughts/advice & experiences appreciated.

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Iggly · 23/03/2012 16:11

We have a nanny and she is fab. I needed three full days plus flexibility on other days - luckily she didn't have another job so could do extra hours at short notice.

The nanny won't replace you so don't worry about your kids getting close to someone else. They need security anyway so that's not a bad thing. Plus they'd have a key worker at nursery anyway?

Having someone at home didn't bother me - you trust them with your child so of course you trust them in your home. Plus if you're late for work, you can be assured that your children are home and can be put to bed of need be.

My nanny has other nanny friends so plenty of socialising. This is normal for nannies to have playmates. Plus there are groups/classes too.

Leave - not an issue for us answer split it 50/50, so half o nanny's leave is when we say and the other half she decides.

Being an employer - I use a nanny tax agency to do the tax/payslips etc and got a proper contract in place.

Sickness - nanny has never taken a sick day. And actually your children are more likely to be ill so the nanny can look after them instead of you having to pull them out of nursery.

Cost wise I suspect it'll be the same as putting two in nursery.

Id say get a nanny. I was worried about ds not having social opportunities but when she started he was only 1 and didn't need them. Also now he has more of a social life than me Grin also you could take advantage of the free 15 hours of childcare for your 3 year old and still get a nanny who could take them?

nannynick · 23/03/2012 21:53
  1. Cost? though we are fortunate enought or be able to consider this. TBH full time nursery will be quite expensive too (~£1500/month)

A nanny could cost you varying amounts depending on where you live.
It would not be unreasonable to do an initial estimate at:
8am-6pm x 5 days = 50 hours per week
x £10 gross per hour = £500 per week
PAYE Calculator gives £2386 per month, including Employers NI (2012/13 tax year).
There are then other associated costs - for example activity budget and travel whilst on duty.

I am assuming you would want an experienced nanny, rather than someone new to the job. Your full time nursery care of around £1500 seems quite low... is that a realistic figure?

  1. I was thinking could have a nanny for the 3 days I work but organise extra flexibility when needed or is that being too hopeful?

I think that is too hopeful. If you need them to be available 5 days per week, then contract for that. If they worked 3 days for you, then they may well get another job for the other days - there seem to me to be more part-time jobs around at the moment than full-time.

3.kids not hanging in out w other children though there will be the two of them
Your nanny could go out to various places, such as toddler groups, to meet other people with young children. They may get to know other nannies in your area. Your eldest child may already have friends, who could come over on a playdate or meet up with them at the park.

  1. Having someone in my house all the time/kids getting so close to one other person
In my experience as a nanny, the children (even when babies) know that I am not dad. It's a different kind of relationship... in your case you will always be mum, nanny won't replace you.
  1. Being someone's employer
Ever had staff under you at work? It's a business relationship, you are not friends with your nanny when it comes to the way you want the job done, in my view. You are the boss you call the shots. PAYE need not be daunting, it's often much easier than people first imagine and there are companies who will produce payslips for you and remind you when to transfer money to HMRC (the payroll companies charge around £130 a year, though depends on frequency of payslips).
  1. Depending on one person entirely-what if they are sick etc
Nannies are rarely sick. Though it does happen and it is a risk. Between you and DH could you not cover short periods of nannies sickness? If your children went to nursery, you would need to cover times when the children were too unwell to be at nursery. A nanny will care for children who are mildly unwell, so common things like having a cold, eye infection, ear infection, runny nappies - the usual childhood things. Sure you will want to stay with your children if they are seriously ill but if they are just a bit under the weather, then nanny would care for them when a nursery would probably send them home (as they have to protect the other children at the nursery). Think back to reasons why dc1 was sent home from nursery/not allowed to attend nursery, especially as a baby/toddler.
  1. Planning leave around your childcarer
As the employer you can dictate all leave. Though it's often better if you can give an employee some choice. If you get statutory minimum then it may be tricky as you have to give your nanny statutory minimum holiday but there are two of you (you and DH) so you could arrange things so that you had some of nannies holiday time each with the children and some of holiday time all together as a family.

Some benefits of a nanny:
You don't have to get the children up in the morning... if the children have a lay in (I know, unheard of) then they can stay asleep, as nanny comes to you, rather than you taking your children somewhere.
Your nanny is at your home so can learn to use your washing machine - and wash the children's clothes and bedding. More children = more washing... I nanny for 3 children, washing seems endless!
Many nannies can make lovely cakes... or even boring sausage rolls and quiche (like I did this week).

If you do things purely on cost, then I would imagine that a nursery would be a bit cheaper than a nanny... if needing to have full-time 5-days per week.

If you can find a nanny who would do 3 days per week, plus then occasional other days as and when needed, then it could be lower cost than 5-day nursery. However I am not sure you would find such a flexible nanny... we have bills to pay just like everyone else.

pugh · 23/03/2012 22:24

Thank you so much for the advice and posts.

The lady that has offered is known to us. She already babysits for us and is trustworthy with a a good work ethic. I already trust her in my home and with my youngest. In fact she is the only person I have ever left him with apart from my husband:)

I think we will explore this further and see where it takes us. Neither of us are making quick decisions and taking some time to think it over.

Any particular things I sould consider when discussing? I see what you mean re flexibility.

Does one draw up a formal contract? How pArticular or detailed should it be- eg washing etc?

Thanks again!

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WeCanDanceIfWeWantTo · 24/03/2012 07:41

You'll definitely need a contract as you'd be the nanny's employer. If you use a payroll agency they may be able to provide you with a standard contract which you can adapt to your particular needs.

In addition to the contract you may need a list of "house rules" which specify more abstract guidelines and conditions that you'd like the nanny to adhere to; e.g. use of computer, no smoking in the house, whose car they can be transported in etc, etc.

We have had a nanny for the past year and it's worked out really well for us; it adds a lot more flexibility and takes the stress out of dashing back from work for nursery pick ups, then having to get the DC bathed and ready for bed.

Like Iggly, she works for us 3 days a week but with prior agreement does an extra day for the periods when I'm busy at work. My DC also go to nursery one day a week which gives another option if our nanny were to be ill (though she's only had one sick day and one snowed day during the year).

I hadn't even considered a nanny until I started reading MN and realised that it was do-able; so give it some serious thought, ask lots of questions and I'm sure you'll come up with the right decision for you.

Iggly · 24/03/2012 08:57

We used a standard contract, slightly adapted.

Our nanny does all jobs relating to our son. So keep him room tidy, wash his clothes, cooking and cleaning relating to him. The contract isn't that detailed in terms of chores - we discussed upfront.

I think we've covered most things to consider when you discuss with your DH. Have a think about other forms of childcare (childminder, nursery, family) do you can rule out if need be.

nannynick · 24/03/2012 09:53

Some discussion about Nanny Contract on this message thread, though the example contract linked to is not totally right - good start though.

If you search Mumsnet you will find lots more about Contracts.

Use keywords:
Contract
Written Statement
Also search for things about Holiday Entitlement, Disciplinary Procedures, Gross Misconduct.

Minimum Wage would apply but you can pay anything from that upwards, depending on what you agree with your employee. Do be reasonable though, as if you pay too low then she may get to know other nannies and start comparing salary and realise that now she has more experience she can get more pay elsewhere.

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