Is it possible to recruit an after school/school holiday nanny

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I'm self employed on a very part time basis. In two years when my youngest starts school I'm hoping to really push the business forward and should be in a position where I can afford additional childcare.

Thinking ahead it's likely that I'm going to need a nanny for 3 afternoons per week 3-6 plus all day in the school holidays. Do nannies operate on this basis and how much to they charge? I'm happy for the nanny to bring her own children as long as she is able to ferry my children to and from after school activities. It would be preferable if the children were school age as I know from experience that it is difficult to supervise homework and entertain older children with little ones around.

Anything's possible! The after school nanny is definitely a possible... 3 days, 3 till 6 should be quite straightforward.

If it's 3 full days in the holidays, it's likely that your 3-6 nanny might be on for that too.. that's quite normal (in my experience).

You can also have your child go to a Holiday Camp for a day or so, when they're older, so that might work well.

We have an after school nanny at the moment, she does 3 full days in the holidays.

PS - hope your business takes off - good luck x

I have always used an after school CM. Pick, up bring home, supervise homework/play, cook tea etc.
I usually get a great response on Gumtree

Thank you both of you.

I would prefer a nanny rather than a childminder as my eldest will be 9 and I know it is unlikely he will want to be go to a childminders house and he already has a fair few after school activities that he goes to.

My nanny does similar hours. Because she has her own baby she's happy to have a part time job where she can bring her baby too. I just put adverts up in the newsagents.

Funnily have just interviewed an after school nanny today for those exact hours, question how do I gross up the rate of pay to get back to £10 per hour, and do I do the tax etc.

Bit of a highjack sorry, have got a contract but is there anything I should put in it, have already asked for copy of current CRB, driving licence and car insurance as she will be using her own car.

You determine the rate of pay, not the nanny. Whilst there is some negotiation, you are offering a job and they are either accepting the job or not as the case may be.

watfordmummy - do not agree a Net salary. The nannies taxation situation could change at any point and that will then affect the tax/ni payable. So agree a Gross salary with your nanny.

If your nanny wants to get currently around £10 per hour, you need to know what their taxcode will be when they are working for you.

Have they given you a P45 or completed a P46? Do you have any knowledge of them having any other income?

www.mranchovy.com/calc/ will do Net to Gross calculation. However you need to enter a Taxcode. If this will not be their ONLY JOB, then you may need to assume a taxcode of BR, which means all the income is taxed.

If they were say doing 15 hours a week for you and you wanted the Net pay to be roughly £10 per hour... then using MrAnchovy's calculator, I get £13.08 gross per hour - for 2011/12 tax year, using taxcode BR.

Next tax year 2012/13 using £13.08 an hour, 15 hours a week, taxcode BR, I get £10.06 Net.

And yes, it's a part-time job, so you would be operating PAYE most likely. There are some circumstances under which you may not need to operate PAYE, such as the pay level being very low and it being the nannies only job, but if you are paying £13.08 gross and hour and if it's 15 hours a week, then there is Employers NI to pay on that, so you need to operate PAYE.
For more information see HMRC: Employers' Responsibility For PAYE

Contract wise, I suggest checking you are covering everything needed in the Gross Misconduct section as Template Contracts can be a bit lacking in that area. This discussion from last year about Gross Misconduct is well worth a read.

Also if you are using a template contract, do check that the holiday entitlement is correct. BusinessLink: Holiday Calculator you can calculate in Hours or Days. If your nanny might work different hours at times (such as during school holidays) then you may need to use the Casual/Irregular method for calculating holiday.

Thank you Nannynick, its amazing that whilst I work in HR when it comes to this all my logic seems to have gone out of the window!!

Interesting that £10 would gross up to around £13.08.

Need to take some time to do the math on this one!

Yes, surprising how much of a difference there is between Net and Gross, when the taxcode is BR. If it's their only job and they are on taxcode 810L, then there's very little difference between Net and Gross with the figures/hours you are looking at as the total pay is probably under their personal tax allowance.
Don't forget to factor in the Employers NI into your cost calculations. The PAYE Calculator will also give you that cost - again it will vary depending on the circumstances.