What would be reasonable rate of pay for this nanny?

[BoffinMum]

I live in East Anglia. I've been advertising a nanny job recently, offering what local agencies recommended, for a full-time permanent post. Then one nanny who used to work for my friend got in contact, who has a child of her own, who would have to be part of this arrangement, and she told me all the nannies locally were earning £8.50-£10 an hour net regardless of whether they brought a child to work or not. And they didn't do any cooking for children, or cleaning of their rooms for that either. So £36,000 a year or so gross for a job where you have no childcare costs of your own and your employer presumably does a fair bit of running around getting things ready for you behind the scenes.

This sounds a bit so I wonder if the Michael is being extracted here, as they say? What does everyone think?

I don't think boff is tarring all nannies with the same brush. I think she's annoyed at this particular specimen who wants a vast sum of money plus a huge perk to provide a reduced service and isn't even willing to consider the possibility than they might be asking for a lot because it's coming across as their right.

Plus if you're refusing to do nursery duties and you're not sitting with your feet up having a cuppa and a biccy, what are you doing?

Most nannies whilst their charge is at nursery or napping are doing laundry, tidying up, preparing a meal etc. It seems that the nanny in question won't. If all that's done then have as many breaks as you like, I salute your efficiency, but don't expect to be paid to do nothing. In other countries you wouldn't get full pay for those hours...

£36k outside of London, with no domestic duties and bringing their own child is an outrageously high salary.

I wouldn't employ someone who wanted to bring their own child but I have always wondered why the reduction is not 50% as it would be with any other nanny share scenario?

It does sound as if this nanny is asking a lot but one of Boff's later comments appears to be very damning towards all nannies. I wasn't really looking to comment on the situation (I do realise that this was the point of her thread though!) I was just upset by her generalisation suggesting that we are all lazy and that basically we should do our jobs for very little because it is what mothers do.

I certainly wasn't generalising about all nannies, I was commenting on the pseudo-nannies who think they are above doing anything except sitting in the house on their backsides, and asking statospheric salaries for doing so. They are not worthy of calling themselves nannies IMO. I feel very strongly about this.

hohoho that did cross my mind - I used to be a nursery nurse, so looked after 30 over 2's at a time!

That is fair enough if you don't mean to describe all nannies as this. I think a lot of nannies start out as nursery nurses do they not? Most of the nannies I know did and they move into nannying for a better salary and often job security.

I hope you do find a good nanny but respect her as such.

That's right, I am not labelling all nannies at all - I think some posters on here realise that, and it's really not my style anyway.

There's no problem with respect in this house - last nanny worked for me for two years and is only reluctantly leaving in order to do her Level 3 in a nursery based job as she wants to get back into all that kind of thing - she bought me a 'World's Best Boss' mug recently so I don't think my insistence on her compromising her manicure with a bit of dishwasher emptying and wiping has caused problems.

But our manicures are so important!

Perhaps your last nanny will know of someone to recommend to you.

Nannyw idea a good one - it's how I found our current nanny .

Sara because the power still lies with the employer. If I want my child to go to 5 extra curricular activities a week then nanny's child will get dragged all over because I say so (if I'm inconsiderate like that), whereas in a share I would need to compromise with my co-employer and find a suitable balance for both families because we both put into the pot. And in a share the salary is usually raised slightly compared to one family and then split so a nanny who was on £8 may get £10 in a share (£5 each) but £6 bringing her own child.

Well I used to take my children with me when they were smaller, for the same money not any less, my children always fitted in with the children I was minding and it worked really well. yes I would empty the dishwasher and tidy up etc.

However i think you have gone over the top boffin with your rant you do sound very resentful the nanny was trying it on but just Say no and find a more suitable nanny.

'I have always wondered why the reduction is not 50% as it would be with any other nanny share scenario?'

As Frak says power lies with employer regarding what the kids do when/rotuine etc.
Also the nanny will usually be based in the employers home in this scenario and so all the laundry/bed changing/shopping/tidying/errands that the nanny does will be to the benefit of the employer.

Well I suppose it's a personal thing the first job they wanted someone with their own child so they had better experience. Second job they had two children so I wasn't any more expensive than a childminder or nursery and they just really wanted me to work for them. The lady i work for now has said when my. Grandchild is born I am very welcome to take him with me if my daughter wants to go back to work. Some people just want the right child care and others resent it everyone has a choice.

Perhaps I did rant a bit, but in my defence, that is what MN is for, a bit of anonymous ranting to get it off one's chest, so be a bit gentle on me . Plus to put it in context, I have actually had two pretty dreadful emails from two separate nannies dictating their terms to the letter, telling me how well qualified they are , telling me what fantastic value they are , and being pretty negative that I can't go part time just to accommodate them, and/or run around like a blue arsed fly cleaning up before and after their arrival so they don't have to pull their weight. It presses my buttons something rotten.

Well hope you felt better for it. But on the other hand surely you would go for a job and say what you wanted. Your rant made me laugh especially about the two years in college, I think experience is so much more important anyway then qualifications. Lots of people earm good money without qualifications.

I do feel a bit better for it, at least I did until I got told off on here .

TBH when I am applying for things, I usually ask all about the other job, and then tactfully enquire about the things that matter to me at the end. I think that's the polite way to do things.

Also when I have hired nannies, it is usually because they spend a lot of time talking about all the children they have worked with and what they enjoy doing most. Obviously they want to earn a decent wage and be treated properly (who doesn't?), but ultimately their main focus is whether there will be a good relationship between my kids and themselves, and whether they think they will be able to bring the children on, with our support.

Obviously you have more tact than nannies but at least you will not waste time interviewing people. I think you got off pretty lightly thought nannies would have been a lot more annoyed to be honest.

Do you think I could demand chocolate biscuits to sit and eat all day so fed up with rich tea.
Once had employer who would not tell me where the heating control was said her last nanny took advantage.

You could certainly make merry with the choccie biscuits and heating control in this house, providing you took a turn emptying the kitchen bin from time to time.

When do I start that's my only demands

Bin bags are there
Here is the biscuit tin
Here are the art materials, children's books and playdough
Now park yourself by the fire and get on with it. I will even pay!

There is no wonder why your last nanny left. I assume it was very hard for her to put up with you for two years.You don,t deserve a nanny and to be honest with this way of thinking you will never have a long term good nanny.

I employ a nanny and childminder and treat them with respect. They are good at my job and they are good at their job, with your attitude you will not find a good nanny.

Maybe it is time to give up your job and look after your own child. Fancy mentioning heating how tight can you get?