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HELP - working out remaining holiday as a nanny!!!

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pickcherries · 13/12/2011 20:06

Hey,

I wonder who's clever enough to help me work out the amount of holiday i should have my boss reckons 1.5days but im not convinced! but he works in finance and i wasnt in a position to argue earlier so here goes... im meant to get 20 days plus bank hols when full time however i started the last week in april for two days a week until sep and went full time.... i had 2 weeks hol (4 days in aug when they went away) so how much should I have left?!

SO CONFUSED! if you still follow congrats because i keep confusing myself!!!

TIA x

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MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 22:54

OK, you started 26 April and the holiday year runs to 31 December, that's 250 days.

Statutory minimum entitlement is 5.6 weeks which is 28 days pro rata, a contract of '20 days plus bank holidays' is not exactly clear when calculating a part-year: as it happens 6 bank holidays fall in the period 26 April 2011 - 31 December 2011, so your actual holiday entitlement could be anywhere between 28 days / 365 x 250 = 19.18 (the statutory minimum) and and 20 / 365 x 250 + 6 = 19.70 days, in each case pro-rata of course.

First using the lower figure:

26 April to 21 August is 118 days so 118 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 5.6 (weeks) x 2 (days per week) = 3.62 days

22 August to 31 December is 132 days so 132 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 5.6 (weeks) x 5 (days per week) = 10.13 days

Total entitlement 13.75 days, you have taken 4 so that leaves 9.75 - you can't round down so that means 9 days plus AT LEAST 3/4 of a day: most people would round up to 10 days.

With the higher figure:

26 April to 21 August is 118 days so 118 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 20 (days) + 3 (bank holidays in the period) = 9.47 days, prorata for 2 / 5 days = 3.79 days

22 August to 31 December is 132 days so 132 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 20 (days) + 3 (bank holidays in the period) = 10.23 days

Total entitlement 14.12 days, you have taken 4 so that leaves 10.12 - you can't round down so that means 10 days plus AT LEAST 0.12 of a day. I'd suggest that you settle on 10 days.

You say you have taken 4 days - what happened on 29 August which was a bank holiday?

I'll assume you had that as well so you have taken 5 days and should now be given Christmas Day, Boxing Day and 3 other days (or 2 3/4 if you want to accept the bare statutory minimum).

HTH Grin

MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 22:57

Oops, near the end it should say:

Total entitlement 14.02 days, you have taken 4 so that leaves 10.02 - you can't round down so that means 10 days plus AT LEAST 0.02 of a day (!). I'd suggest that you settle on 10 days.

MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:00

When part-years are involved there are no short-cuts, you have to do it on actual days / 365 (or 366 when the leave year includes 29th February).

MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:02

Oops, I took the 4 days off twice - it is late and I have just come in (I don't usually attempt calculations after this many drinks)

pickcherries · 13/12/2011 23:03

Thanks MrAnchovy i might just paste this into an email for my boss, as its sooo clear! Thanks again!

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MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:05

OK, you started 26 April and the holiday year runs to 31 December, that's 250 days.

Statutory minimum entitlement is 5.6 weeks which is 28 days pro rata, a contract of '20 days plus bank holidays' is not exactly clear when calculating a part-year: as it happens 6 bank holidays fall in the period 26 April 2011 - 31 December 2011, so your actual holiday entitlement could be anywhere between 28 days / 365 x 250 = 19.18 (the statutory minimum) and and 20 / 365 x 250 + 6 = 19.70 days, in each case pro-rata of course.

First using the lower figure:

26 April to 21 August is 118 days so 118 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 5.6 (weeks) x 2 (days per week) = 3.62 days

22 August to 31 December is 132 days so 132 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 5.6 (weeks) x 5 (days per week) = 10.13 days

Total entitlement 13.75 days, you can't round down so that means 13 days plus AT LEAST 3/4 of a day: most people would round up to 14 days.

With the higher figure:

26 April to 21 August is 118 days so 118 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 20 (days) + 3 (bank holidays in the period) = 9.47 days, prorata for 2 / 5 days = 3.79 days

22 August to 31 December is 132 days so 132 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 20 (days) + 3 (bank holidays in the period) = 10.23 days

Total entitlement 14.02 days: as this is a contractual entitlement not statutory you don't have to round up so I'd suggest that you settle on 14 days.

You say you have taken 4 days - what happened on 29 August which was a bank holiday?

I'll assume you had that as well so you have taken 5 days and should now be given Christmas Day, Boxing Day and 7 other days (or 6 3/4 if you want to accept the bare statutory minimum).

HTH Grin

MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:06

Hope you got that last change!

pickcherries · 13/12/2011 23:08

i started full time on 1st sep so didnt get paid for the 29th aug bank hol!

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MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:14
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MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:15

Oh, you said you started full time 22 Aug - which was it?

pickcherries · 13/12/2011 23:16

i started in the share on the 22nd but was still part time then went full time on the 1st sep!

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MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:19

Ah, yes I see. Revised calculation to follow!

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 13/12/2011 23:26

Good Luck :)

MrAnchovy · 13/12/2011 23:28

First using the lower figure:

26 April to 31 August is 128 days so 128 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 5.6 (weeks) x 2 (days per week) = 3.93 days

1 September to 31 December is 122 days so 122 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 5.6 (weeks) x 5 (days per week) = 9.36 days

Total entitlement 13.29 days, you can't round down so that means 13 days plus AT LEAST 1/3 of a day: most people would round up to 13.5 or 14 days.

With the higher figure:

26 April to 31 August is 128 days so 128 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 20 (days) + 3 (bank holidays in the period) = 10.01 days, prorata for 2 / 5 days = 4.01 days

31 August to 31 December is 122 days so 122 (days employed) / 365 (days in year) x 20 (days) + 3 (bank holidays in the period) = 9.68 days

Total entitlement 13.69 days: as this is a contractual entitlement not statutory you don't have to round up so I'd suggest that you settle on either 13.5 or 14 days.

You have taken 4 days so should now be given Christmas Day, Boxing Day and 8 other days (or 7 1/3 if you want to accept the bare statutory minimum).

pickcherries · 14/12/2011 12:25

Update!! Spoke to MB this morning and straight away she looked at me oddly when i said DB said i only has 1 1/2 days left and she said straight away he was wrong and she'd speak to him.... i then get a very apologetic text from dad saying that he was wrong :) hes now working out making a excel spreadsheet wth exactly the amount of days i will have left but i have got extra days :)

thanks for your help everyone :)

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Karoleann · 14/12/2011 14:29

Okay so your holiday year runs from Jan-Dec.
You've worked 2/3 of the holiday year so entitled to 2/3rds of the holiday entitlement (20 days as per your contract). Which is 13.4 days if you were working full time.
So for September-December (when you were working full time) you get 1/3 of this = 4.42 days
For May-September you get a 2/5 pro rota of this = 1.768 days
So in total you get 6.188 days. As you've taken 4 already you have 2.188 days left. + bank holidays.

nannynick · 14/12/2011 14:53

Are you going to be able to take all the remaining holiday before 1st Jan? Maybe start again Jan 1st but instead of accural start with the full entitlement and then just deduct off used holiday days/hours as you go along.

MrAnchovy · 14/12/2011 19:03

hes now working out making a excel spreadsheet wth exactly the amount of days i will have left

I hope he's working it out correctly because it is no longer OK to prorate 20 days for part-timers and then give bank holidays on top, see my calculations. If he (or anyone else) doubts them, you can check using the Business Link holiday calculator (although you have to cheat to handle the part-year at 2 days per week - enter 1 Sep 2010 as the start of the leave year). I did this and it worked out 3.9 days up to 31 August and 9.3 for the remainder of the year so 13.2 in total whereas I had 13.29 - my calculations are more accurate Grin

pickcherries · 14/12/2011 20:06

Update! He's sent me the spread sheet and it works out to be more then what MrAnchovy said becuase hes worked it out exactly the amount of days i worked.. i done extra days here and there but wasn't counting them because they weren't contracted days!! Anyway according to his calculations i still have 3 days remaining from this tear which they are rolling over into next year!!

All sorted now :)

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RandomMess · 14/12/2011 21:11

Glad it's sorted Smile

nbee84 · 14/12/2011 21:17

Thanks fro coming back to update us.

Have a great (paid) Christmas holiday Grin

Kitsilano · 14/12/2011 22:48

Thanks for updating - gals you got it sorted!

Kitsilano · 14/12/2011 22:49

Thanks for updating - glad you got it sorted!

MrAnchovy · 14/12/2011 22:54

Great news! Have a good Christmas holiday, and hopefully things will be much simpler next year (and an extra three days!).

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