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CMs: advice on settling in mindee please

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sydenhamhiller · 07/11/2011 13:18

Hi - hoping for some advice (and I guess shoulders to cry on!) please.

Have been CMing for nearly 3 years, have 2 kids of own, at school. Currently have a little boy who is just 2, who has been with me a year, and a boy of 13 months who started 6 weeks ago... and is not settling AT ALL. I've had a couple of mindees who have not shed a tear about settling in, and a couple who've found it more difficult, so I have dealt with this issue before, but this has been the worst, and I feel terrible for him.

He 's great at drop-off, hardly a murmur as parent passes him to me - and while I am holding him, all is well. But then, it's breakfast before school run, and have 5 yr old, 7 yr old and 2 year old to feed, get shoes on etc as well as him...as soon as I put him in Highchair, starts screaming. And I mean screaming - DH says he can hear thru double glazing on street. And screaming rather than crying, no tears. As soon as pick up, stops, like a switch. And that's pretty much the pattern for the day...for 6 weeks now.

He's happy on my knee, on floor while I play with 2 year old...but after about 30 minutes of various activities will start screaming, and nothing will soothe not even a cuddle, distraction, our cats, my singing or snack time. So we have to go out. Out in pram, all fine usually - does not sleep, though must be tired - after an hour we're back home as 2 year old at least would like lunch :o) 13 month old happy to be out of pram, gives me smiles, happy while we come in and I balance him on knee while I take 2 yr old's shoes off ...but as soon as I try and put him down, having got toys out, shown how they roll/ shake/ rattle etc - he starts screaming as soon as bum touches floor.

Have tried leaving him to roam with selection of toys - putting in high chair/ putting in pram/ putting in car seat...nothing really works. Until I pick him up, and stops instantly.

I feel terrible he's so unhappy - think he's tired as much as anything, Mum says he doesn't sleep well, doesn't really have a naptime, small amounts of sleep at different times, different days - so no routine I can adapt to, and so far he's not adapting to mine and 2 year old's!:o) He happily ate breakfast this morning, but towards end of bowlful started bellowing, didn't want more, didn't want toast, didn't want to be down and playing, didn't want to sit on my knee - wanted to be walked about...And I just can't really do that 10 minutes before school run with 4 kids to get ready. Of course, all children have an 'off' day with teething, being under weather etc, but this is every day....all day. And nothing really wrong because as soon as in my arms, stops instantly.

My children, who are usually very fond of mindees ask "Will he be here when we get back from school?" and then say 'oh no' when I say yes, "because he screams all the time". The 2 year old, bless him, is good as gold, but is hardly getting much time, as little one always awake and nearly always screaming.

I know 6 weeks is early days...but no improvement at all, and feel terrible he's so unsettled. Another CM friend advised me to give notice, that maybe he needs a one-on-one carer, perhaps at own home. But I have had 2 tough settlers-in before, and we got there in the end. I feel like a failure thinking of giving notice: but he's not happy, we're not happy, maybe it's just not the right setting for him?

Any feedback gratefully received!

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snowchick1977 · 07/11/2011 15:46

Oh gosh, this sounds like my daughter, who is only 4 months and she is due to go to a childminder from January.

I hope it works out for you, and me!

woahthere · 07/11/2011 19:02

is he too heavy to go into a sling? While he is still settling. He is obviously happy with YOU just not being put down. 13 months is such a hard time to start children as they go through separation anxiety. I had a little one who would not be put down and it took about 8 months! It was hard but she is a lot better now. She wasnt unhappy she just was a major cuddler! I still sling her now, she loves it. I think if at all possible, the more holding time for now with this one the better and it will pay dividends in the end. On the flip side I have had another that screamed and shook when put down and the only thing that comforted him was walking in the buggy or dancing in the kitchen. Problem with him was that he was the heaviest child I had ever held and I can usually balance 2 or 3 on me, he was seriously solid! I just couldnt hold him all the time. After 3 weeks we called it a day and apparently he settled happily in nursery, sad and you feel like you failed a bit but in the end you have to do whats right for the child! Good luck x

woahthere · 07/11/2011 19:06

Another thing, and I hope it doesnt sound cheeky, but do you think you are stressed as this may be passed on. I didnt want to admit it to myself but I couldnt cope with 3 x 13months old children plus my after schoolers...at that time, and I really think this passed on to him. My after schoolers also really didnt like my 'screamer' because he was just...so...loud, and they couldnt get enough of my attention. In the end the little one would scream even when he saw my house..which made me feel awful! It was such a shame because I got real glimpses of him being lovely, but it wasnt right at that time.

squinker45 · 07/11/2011 19:30

I also have a screamer, he is one day a week and the sound this child makes is like someone is pulling out his toenails or something. The other mindees can only stand it for a few minutes before getting upset themselves. Anything sets him off and I have thought about giving notice as we all dread the day he comes. He can scream the house down with a dummy in, or whilst having a snack which is quite something to watch.

Some children are just like this I think, and I know from experience that they do grow out of it but it can take absolutely months. The question is, how long can you stand it for? I know it might feel like failure but you have to think of your sanity maybe?

MaryPoppinsMagic · 07/11/2011 20:26

ooo i just had one of these.. The SCREAMING was awful.. no tears or a reason to cry it was just screaming over nothing and everything, my head would be pounding by the time he had gone. I am rather relieved he has now gone (see my other thread)

What is the parent like? the reason i ask this is because i strongly believe that the reason my charge was this way was because of the way he was at home, no routine no naps, really late bed time.

Is she open to a honest conversation?

sydenhamhiller · 07/11/2011 20:48

Aw guys, thanks for all yr responses! Really kind and supportive.

I had a terrible experience with mindee like this 18 months ago, and took a year for him to stop screaming...anywhere. It stressed out me, other mindees, my kids, and looking back I should have given notice, it so wasn't worth it! Current angelic 2 yr old was a very clingy 11 month old, and so while this one is worst yet, think I am least stressed because I don't feel like failure, can see it's not me - as he loves being in my arms. So not stressed this time. A couple weeks ago I was so ground down by screaming I made lunch with him in baby carrier all week... And didn't hear a peep. But then I think this is not sustainable- my back is killing me (he's a healthy boy, 90th percentile weight his mum says!)

Hmm, food thought.

In strange way, comforting to know I am not alone, good luck to fellow cms in same boat, and thanks so much for the posts.

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vez123 · 07/11/2011 22:06

Our DS screamed for 3 weeks solid when he started at the CM at 14 months. He needed to be held all the time! Needless to say the CM was unable to recreate his routine during those weeks. He did not eat, sleep or drink, it was awful.
For some reason he calmed down after 3 weeks and now absolutely loves going there! I guess we just persevered but made sure that the days there were not too long to start with. Also, the CM took him out in the buggy a lot, this really calmed him down. Do you have a double buggy?
13/14 months is such a difficult age to start childcare...
Good luck with this one!

ChildrenAtHeart · 08/11/2011 09:56

I too had screamers & my heart goes out to anyone in that position as it can be totally overwhelming, not to mention draining. My worst was a 15m old boy who would come just 2 long mornings a week. He would stand at the safety gate by the lounge door staring at the front door and scream for 3-4 hours with barely a break and nothing comforted him initially though slowly he began to respond to me sitting nearby playing, telling stories etc in a quiet calm way, ignoring him whilst he screamed but big smiles and praise if he stopped however briefly. Out & about he was ok in the buggy but would cling like a limpet if we went to toddlers etc. He had been at a previous cm who gave up after 3 weeks as she couldn't stand it any longer. Anyway, I persevered and after about 3 months he suddenly stopped. We still had the odd off day but he stayed with me till starting school and was so chilled by then it was hard to believe it was the same child.
I think you are doing all the right things & you know this, but its frustrating when none seem to work BUT in his mind it may be slowly starting to fall into place & eventually all your strategies may pay off even though he's given you no outward sign to show this. One thought, if a sling or baby carrier is no good given his weight have you considered a baby back pack?
Best of luck!

sydenhamhiller · 08/11/2011 12:41

He's much better today- now the real problem is mealtimes- goes nuts as soon as in highchair (we've just had lunch in a at seat... Slightly less hysterical screaming) and for now given up on travel cot and rocking to sleep in pram!
It's the Jekyll n Hyde aspect that is so confusing - but also encouraging, as fine sometimes, just when he does scream, I am fine with it, but my 7 yr old son burst into tears at b'fast time this morning and said "his noise gives me a headache". Feel awful inflicting this on my children in own home ...

Do have backpack carrier, but really can't keep it on while I make up travel cots etc ;-). Thanks so much for sympathy and sharing tips and stories... How honest were you with parents about this? Have mentioned the screaming in highchair this week, as wanted to see what he was like at home, and mum freaking out (as I wld have done). She said 'I thought he was fine before' and I thought...'ummmm'. Mindee is Pfb and parents very anxious about returning to work, childcare, etc, so I have been circumspect about quite how shouty it is!

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vez123 · 08/11/2011 13:00

I am sure you will have cracked it soon. Sounds very similar to my son and he now loves going to the CM.

MaryPoppinsMagic · 08/11/2011 14:10

glad there is some kind of light for you,

With my one, i was honest with her about it all. As i felt the way she was saying goodbye and possible over compensating for her absence at home was the main reasons he was so unhappy with me.

How does she say good bye to him? Is it quick or really full on?

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