just a thread for cms or nannies really

[thebody]

because unless you work in childcare 'alone' as cms and nannies do then its not for you to comment as you have no understanding of the situation.

is anyone else here totally shocked at the level of abuse and vitriol directed at the cm involved in the 'knock on the door thread'.

I dont for a moment blame the parent posting, she has no choice but to enquire into the matter and if the cm is indeed guilty of these allegatioins then I would be the first to condemn..BUT

its shocking to me the amount of posters who instantly urge the poster to move her child immediately, or worse even if the allegations are proved to be unfounded, as its still effectivly no smoke without fire.

these posters have no qualms or sense of understanding that cms run businesses and that these businesses are supporting their own families, mortgages, bills..

they seem to have no sense of justice, ethical behaviour or commen decency and all this on gossip and heresay to an otherwise trusted,'gentle' cm.

very very frightening.

Who are you to tell me that I cannot express my opinions. It is a discussion site there is no need to suggest I stay off this thread.

And who are you to suggest we are bad childminders because we come on here?

Pot.kettle.black

Did not tell you to get of the thread though its not up to me.

meh

[facepalm] to eastnorth

I agree northeast no one should tell you to get of a thread because some of your points are valid. 531 I did not understand your post. I think morrisons would not pay as well as childminding. Think I will ring up for a job if they pay double. When you read her post she is not being totally horrible about childminders.

Thanks reglow I love my childminder thank god she is not aggresive like some on here.

Eastnorth - can you really not understand why something like this scares the living daylights out of Childminders and why they would feel so defensive?????? A malicious accusation like this has the possibility of ending the career of a CM because if Ofsted become involved the CM could well have to stop CMing while an investigation is carried out. Even if Ofsted find nothing has happened, the accusation has to stay on the CM's file for other parents to see, while they are not working their mindees parents would probably find other CMs to look after their DC because regardless of whether or not they like the CM, they have to have their DC looked after so if they find another CM they will likely leave the children there.

At the very least, this 'no smoke without fire' attitude that people have will make people think, 'oh well, plenty of other CMs, I might as well find one that I haven't heard anything negative about'.

CMs are incredibly vulnerable to this type of accusation. They have no protecting body which they can be a part of which will fight their corner as individuals. Something like this could send them into poverty through absolutely no fault of their own.

This is a thread which they deliberately started to have a conversation between carers about how scary it all is, and the first thing you do on entering is posting about how bad they all are!!! (And please don't play semantics, if you question how 'good' they could be by actually being on this thread it is the same thing as saying they are bad CMs and you know it!).

Yes Its upsetting but it has not been proved the childminder is innocent. My childminder has been investigated by ofsted did not stop me going to her. What do you suggest the OP does leave her DC there for 28 days?,

On Wednesday I observed how many childminders were on there there cant all have had no children that day.

To tell me not to comment was out of order, just because I made a point.

You want to make that point, you should have made it on the OTHER thread. This thread is more for support for CMs and nannies. You're not being supportive or seeing it from THEIR point of view.

Oh and there are thousands of CMs in this country, why couldn't 10 CMS on here have either had no children that day or the children they had been napping or having some quiet time????? .

eastnorth for all you know, your CM is one of the people who has been posting on this thread.

Yes she might have posted, when I told her about it yesterday she found it quite funny and said that no one would post on the Thursday which they did not. The thread did not say only comment if you are going to support childminders and nannies.

I tell you why I didn't post yesterday, because I was very busy.

I started at 7am, did 2 different school runs, had different children dropped off at different times. Went to a play group with 3 under 5's. Helped them do some bonfire pictures, sat playing with the baby in the baby corner. God forbid, I had a cup of coffee and chatted to some of the other mums while the baby was in a rocking chair and the other 2 were sat at the table having a snack. I had to leave early as the baby was getting tired. I then spent the next 6 hours constantly on the move. I didn't manage a proper lunch myself juggling feeding the baby and explosive nappies. After schoolies arrive, more snacks then dinner. I finished doing a basic tidy at around 6.30, then started on paperwork, diaries etc. So it makes me really frustrated when people who have never done this job, criticize a childminder having a cup of coffee at a playgroup, or posting a message on the computer. Because of course all those who criticize go to work, work non-stop for 8 hours, never go to the loo, chat to a fellow workmate, check their phones, send a text, have a lunch/coffee break.

I'm not hard done by, but find it really harsh when other mums would begrudge a CM having and chat and cup of coffee at a playgroup.

Oh and I am currently waiting for my charge to arrive at 9.30.

I for one would criticise my CM if she DIDN'T occasionally leave my DS to just play on his own without her involvement. Quite frankly I don't want a child who has no idea how to amuse himself or how to play with other children without constant involvement from an adult.

ditto chitchatting

im a nanny and have mb around at moment and there are times we fb or mn sit on the sofa with a cuppa and ignore allow the children to learn to play by theirselves

plus im there to help her as she is unwell and tbh i said to the mum that if i play with the children 100% of the time then im not helping her as when i leave they will expect 100% attention and thats not healthy!!!

Hello all. Thought I'd add my twopennyworth - on my day off, I hasten to add! I had a horrible experience myself a while ago with a parent disputing payment to which I was undoubtedly entitled. I was totally astounded when she said she would have it her way or fabricate a complaint (the nature of which was never specified) to Ofsted. I had many sleepless nights over this. As others have said, this could have ruined my reputation and business, and I was so angry and disillusioned I came close to quitting anyway. I decided to report the whole business to OFSTED myself and at least show her I would not subjected to her blackmail. Fortunately the lady in question was stupid enough to repeat her threat in writing and I sent this to OFSTED, along with various messages of support from other parents. In the event, she did not in fact make her "complaint". but the whole business has definitely made me less trusting and maybe a touch paranoid. It's also made me acutely aware how vulnerable we are to malicious complaints and more generally to gossip, and probably more sceptical about people's motives in rubbishing others.

You poor thing minderjinx. A nightmare for any childcare provider. Its so difficult as the other post has shown, it isn't just a minor thing, but can be catastrophic for a family. Glad you sorted out your problem, its also a good tip on how to handle this situation for us all.

Blondes you made me laugh yes we all have little skives in our jobs. The way you all reacted was a bit over the top made me go back and see what times you were all on there. How sad was that? I think all children should entertain themselves sometimes it does them good. If anyone notices me on here on a Wednesday or Monday please report me as I should be working. Unless I have gone to Morrisons for the better pay. Does anyone know if you get a discount as well at morrisons?

@ red

Where do you live Red ? I am desperate for childcare on a Thursday. Shame on the person drinking coffee at the playgroup, and blondes shame on you sitting on the sofa while working.

I drink coffee at playgroup... What's wrong with that?

Am I missing the joke? I'm rather sensitive at the min!

Could not work for you eastnorth because I will be working at morrisons soon. I also love drinking coffee sat on the sofa while mumsnetting dont think we will be suited.

Now where was I Thursday?
Oh yeah sitting on my friends sofa, with yet another friend, drinking coffee and eating a very small slice of cake.

Glad you was not lonely then anewyear.