Nanny pay when DS starts nursery?

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Have a fantastic nanny who works 8am-6pm. DS is 22months and will be starting nursery (3 mornings per week, increasing gradually to 5 mornings just for a bit of social life) when he turns 2. Just wondered whether it's the norm to continue with the same amount of pay even though DS will be spending 3 hours per day at nursery? Do nannies expect a slight pay cut or not? Should say that nanny will still be asked to start work at 8am as we need to get to work and nursery doesn't start til 9.30 -obviously she can't therefore take another job in the mornings. Any guidance wd be appreciated!

Why do parents even consider that a nanny would accept a pay cut for hours that she would need to be on call. I see so many jobs advertised now for before and after school but nobody wants them because it's impossible to fit another job around the hours.

I still have my living cost and bills to pay whether a child is at nursery or not and if I didn't need to earn a living wage I would do voluntary work with children or spend time with the children of my family and friends. This nanny would find it impossible to get a job for the hours you state and like others I don't think a two year old needs to be in nursery.

I asked a similar qu (do I need to pay while dd is at nursery) - thx to HSMM for referring me to this thread. Except I am setting a new contract - no pay cut - which would be 6.5 hours per day excluding nursery or 9 hours per day inclusive. I was wandering what nannies are expecting as they quoted hourly rates rather than daily rates. The thoughts here are very helpful - but would the facts change if stated upfront?

newtothisinlondon - isn't it just 9 hours per day, whether the child is in nursery or not? or do you not need her to start until after nursery on the days your child is in nursery?

when my DD is 3, she will go to school nursery for 5 sessions a week. at that point i will need to change my child care arrangements as i am not paying the nanny to look after DD when she is in the school nursery for 2.5 hours every day. and until then the nanny takes DD to activities such as music bugs, social tots, play group etc. none of these are essential, but they all assist DD in socialisation, learning norms of behaviour (circle time etc), sitting and listening to instructions and sharing with other kids. as far as i am concerned, that's enough for her at the moment, and at 2 yrs old, i don't think she need any other form of structured childcare / education.

WishIwas

What childcare will you choose?

• She won't be at nursery 13 weeks of the year - so you would need someone to do full time during these periods.
• What is she's ill/nursery has to shut unexpectedly/she gets sent home - who will look after her?

As an under 5 a childminder will probably charge you for a full time place as she won't be able to fill the gaps that DD is at nursery?

Genuinely interested

grabaspoon - she and DS will be able to go to the same wrap-around provider, who also does holiday cover. there are several locally who offer wraparound for nursery and school. and yes, i will be charged for a full-time space for DD and a before / after-school place for DS but it will still be a LOT cheaper than a nanny. i didn't want to have to co-ordinate pick ups from 2 different places for DS and DD, which is why we have gone for the nanny option for now.

and yes i will have to be off with her when they're sick (or ex will if it's his day). one of those things.

the nanny option is by far and away the best solution. but it is so expensive (for me at least) that i can only justify doing it when there isn't another viable option.

WishIwas - I wanted to clarify as it is not 9 hours of work. The nanny could hypothetically do something else for the other 2.5 hours all year round. For example - nanny could find a cleaning job to fit in the gap, or a mother's help role for a certain activity and is happy to have hours at that time each day. I know it is unlikely - but the reason I am trying to clarify is to understand salary expectations (as opposed to what working hours I need).

well - nothing to stop you from advertising it with those hours and seeing what you get, i suppose. if people are interested when it is advertised like that, then you have lost nothing.

Would the nanny never be expected to do drop-offs at nursery, or cover illness?

We have a similar situation with only one child attending nursery 2.5 hours a day. By the time you've factored in the commute (knock off at least 30 minutes, maybe longer) there's 2 hours maximum left in the day when she's not looking after him. My son no longer naps so that gives the nanny some time for a break plus some time to do nursery duties including his washing, ironing, tidying and/or cooking some food for him. Then, if he's ill or the nursery has an inset day (or during the school holidays) she's available to look after him for the full day where required. Therefore, we didn't reduce her pay but just explained how we wanted her to spend the time when he was at nursery. I would definitely expect her to do jobs for us though though rather than viewing the time as an extended break purely for herself.

we are contemplating this for when our son starts pre-school at 3. I wouldn't ask our nanny to take any pay cut - she will still be on call for us.

newtothisinlondon- I see loads of those types of jobs being offered on gumtree etc, repeatedly. I suspect that the families find it hard to get decent nannies for those hours. At the very least I would expect that you would need to pay a higher per hour rate to make up for the part time hours.