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Am writing my first ever nanny required advert and struggling - Please help

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cityangel · 02/05/2011 16:59

What are the key things I should include/ have I missed anything?
I am particularly struggling to work out net pay & tax implications
& what sort of qualifications to specify (ds1 & 3)

  • pay
  • hours
  • fully qualified (what type is best?)
  • owner driver for pre-school lunchtime pick-up
  • location
  • daily requirements eg. look after toddler in the morning & ds3 in the afternoon

Many thanks as I am finding the process a nightmare and friends have ended up making huge mistakes with their selections...

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annh · 02/05/2011 17:09

I would not get too hung up on qualifications at the moment, there are many very experienced nannies who do not have many (or any) formal qualifications. I would specify anything outside of "core" childcare which you require e.g. keeping children's rooms tidy, cooking, etc. Much of this should be included in a normal nanny role but you might be surprised at what some nannies are unwilling to do! If a good standard of English is important, you should definitely mention that, I always get responses from people who can barely string a sentence together which is useless for me as my children are older and need help with homework. If you are going to use childcare vouchers, you will need someone who is OFSTED registered, with first aid etc so that definitely needs to be included in the ad. Put a salary range in the ad so you don't get responses from people who expect to earn far more than you can afford.

annh · 02/05/2011 17:10

Sorry, a paragraph or two might have been useful there!

frakyouveryverymuch · 02/05/2011 17:24

I wouldn't specify qualifications but a level 3 is standard, so if you want to give a broad idea put 'level 3 qualified'. When you get CVs through etc come back on here and we can explain them :) there are loads!

You don't want to agree a net salary - go for gross, which you can reverse calculate (assuming a normal tax code) using our very own mranchovy's calculator.

Have a checklist of non-negotiables, desirables and dealbreakers and stick to it. Be ruthless at the CV stage and don't be afraid to do more than one interview with candidates. Check references and qualifications carefully before offering anyone the job and be thorough and insistent about the stuff you want to know.

Good luck!

cityangel · 02/05/2011 18:13

thank you this is really helpful. I guess although there are many good nannies out there without qualifications I like the fact that they have made the effort to get qualified if that makes sense...

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ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 02/05/2011 18:20

CityAngel - you may then miss out an a nanny who is wonderful, but of course it's your choice :) personally I value experience over a nanny qualification.

It's a shame a lot of your friends have had bad experiences, allyou can do is take the time to talk to the nanny, interview her more than once and speak to references. Find someone who suits your family and someone who you 'click' with.

Good luck.

Samedi · 02/05/2011 19:38

I've met fantastic nannies who never had time to qualify- my best friend left school and went strait into nannying, and now has 15 years experience. And I've met qualified nannies I wouldn't leave my own children with, should I ever have them!

However, I am qualified and am wonderful Grin

frakyouveryverymuch · 02/05/2011 20:27

I agree a qualification shows a certain level of commitment, and it has the advantage that the nanny will have learnt about and hopefully worked with a range of ages under supervision so should have acquired good practices. Which isn't to say unqualified nannies necessarily aren't or don't...

Would you consider a nanny who is working towards or willing to work towards a qualification whilst with you?

nannynick · 02/05/2011 21:17

If qualifications are important to you, then specify that you want a qualified childcarer in your advert. However you may find it hard to work out if they are really qualified or not, as there are so many different childcare qualifications.

Are you in England? Do you need to be able to part-pay using Childcare Vouchers? If so, then you could specify someone who is Already Ofsted Registered.

  • pay

I prefer to see a specific wage shown. However you could give a range if you liked. Consider how much you can afford to pay, then offer below that. Look at local job ads to get a feel for local salaries being offered.
Advertise the pay as Gross (either per year, or per hour). Also consider putting a Net Per Hour equivalent (based on 747L taxcode) for those nannies who don't understand Gross. When agreeing the contract, state the Gross pay.

  • hours

State the hours you need if they remain the same each day. Consider what start time you want someone to arrive, leaving a bit of an overlap so you can say have a shower and get dressed while nanny takes care of the children.
Bit of overlap at the end of the day as well, especially if you use public transport and may not get back at the same time each day.

  • fully qualified (what type is best?)

There are so many different qualifications around these days.

You could try using Qualifications Finder to lookup various qualifications.
A level 3 qualification is Nursery Room Leader type, where as level 2 is an assistant. But in nannying terms an someone with Level 2 could be great. So it depends on the person more than the qualification and will also depend on if you need to access any Government funding or Childcare Vouchers as such schemes will have minimum training requirements.

  • owner driver for pre-school lunchtime pick-up

If being a driver is not optional and if you need them to use their own car, then certainly do include that in the advert. Then check driving licence when interviewing, plus ask to see the car. Consider who will be supply car seats - you or them?

  • location

Always useful. When someone applies consider how far they are travelling, the likely drive route... does it seem reasonable to you as you know the local traffic on roads in your area - whereas if they are not very local they might not know that at say 7.30am x road is at gridlock.

  • daily requirements eg. look after toddler in the morning & ds3 in the afternoon

Which child will be looked after then will change from time to time, so don't be too specific about that. The nanny is there to care for all your children, not just a particular child.

List the expected duties though as much as you can, so things don't come as a shock to an applicant later. So if you want them to strip the children's beds once a week/twice a month, then say so. Especially say if you want someone to do Ironing (as a nanny I don't iron unless a very special occasion, as I'm not good at that).

Also include things that you would like the children to do... would you expect the nanny to take them swimming? Would you want the nanny taking them for walks in the countryside? Perhaps give a few examples to help show how active you want the nanny to be, also ask nanny at interview about things they would do with your children... when having care of particular children, and also when having them all together.

How many children you have... ds3 indicates to me that you have 3 boys. Is that the case?

When interviewing, be very selective and don't see many people. Have the children present if possible so you can see how quickly nanny responds to them, rather than you. Invite nanny in, ask them if they want coffee/tea/cold drink... disappear for abit... reappear again with drink and nanny should be on the floor interacting with your children. Just my view Smile

cityangel · 02/05/2011 21:36

Great ideas I think I need to do a lot more research. Nanny Nick we have an energetic soon to be 3 year old and his 1 year old brother. If we were keen to try and find a manny/male nanny where do you suggest we look? I might post up a new thread asking the same.

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nannynick · 02/05/2011 22:34

Hard to say alas. When I last looked for a nanny job, I looked on NannyJob.co.uk and contacted a local agency whom I felt could 'sell me' well to parents asking for a nanny - so an agency who knew of me from the past (think they may have known me since 2005 but could be even before then).

ds1 and ds2 then... the number isn't the age, least that's how think the Acronym works on here. Could be wrong though Grin

cityangel · 03/05/2011 13:40

No you're right I got my acronyms in a twist!

Do you know anything about holidays, do we need to specify the allowance and expectations on when they're taken or is this another minefield.

It was much easier when DS1 went to nursery!

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nannynick · 03/05/2011 17:05

Yes you need to specify the allowance in the contract though you don't have to do so on an advert. Minimum entitlement is 5.6 weeks. Calculate Employees Annual Leave Entitlement (in days, or hours)

You can limit when someone takes holiday. If you know now that you will not permit holiday to occur say during school term time, then state that in the advert, then state it in the contract.

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