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Nannying in Chelmsford?

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confuseddotcodotuk · 04/04/2011 13:43

I'm moving the Writtle in the next six weeks and would love to start nannying if possible. I'm 21 (22 in May, shouldn't make a difference but it does to some!), have volunteered extensively in the past in reception classes and nurseries, worked for PGL in 2008 for a season as a watersports instructor for 6-18yo's, have had a live-in Sole Charge Mother's Help position (2009) which I stayed at for a year with two children (aged 8 and 11 at the time), worked as an elf in a grotto for the two months before Christmas 2010 and have sole charge of a special needs seven year old relative quite regularily when I'm living at home.

I have parts of the NVQ 3 in Children's Care, Learning and Development and a full driving license and car. If I manage to get a job with kids I will be taking a Pediatric First Aid course ASAP and probably signing myself up to the first year of a Childhood and Youth Studies Degree (Open Uni) or finish my NVQ if I can find somewhere to take me on.

My questions are: Will potential nanny employers consider taking me on? What wage should I be asking for? How does nanny pay work (as it's obviously not self employed)? If I used my car for work purposes how would petrol money work? What questions should I be asking potential employees and agencies when looking for work? Have I got a better chance of finding work if I look for a part-time job instead of full time? Would people be put off if I said that I was planning on going travelling mid-2012?

Thanks in advance :)

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nannynick · 04/04/2011 17:03

I would probably miss off the elf bit from your CV, just saying something like Christmas work or something. When writing your CV expand out what exactly you did and had responsibility for in the sole-charge job. Your other experience is all Group Care as far as I can see, so isn't that relevant to nannying though does help to show you have experience of children of varying ages.
Your experience with babies and toddlers is lacking. Can you think of times when you have had experience of caring for babies & toddlers? Such as babysitting for example. Also expand on any volunteer nursery placement you had with that age of child.

I have parts of the NVQ 3 in Children's Care

What do you mean parts ? Can you finish it over the next couple of months?

Currently you are unqualified. This may limit your opportunities. It may also mean that you don't meet criteria for the uni course (have you checked that you can do the course without a prior qualification?). So before considering the Uni course, I would suggest you finish the NVQ. That may mean you need to work/volunteer at a nursery for a while.

Will potential nanny employers consider taking me on?

Not if they need someone who is Ofsted registered. You are not currently registered and depending exactly on what training you have completed you may not meet the criteria for registration.

However there are parents out there who will happily have someone unqualified and not on the Ofsted register. So there is hope.

What wage should I be asking for?

Have a look at what jobs are being advertised in the area in which you want to work. Then consider what salary you need to live on. You will have bills like everyone else, so your salary needs to pay your bills plus give you some extra for savings & pension, going out, running your car etc.

I would have thought from £6 gross per hour upwards. I would expect that you may find that jobs are offering £7 to £10 gross. You may find that it increases to £12 gross once qualified and have a few years sole charge nannying experience - though I'm qualified and have experience and earn under £11 gross.

Try looking at NannyJob: Essex to get a feel for salaries, though alas many agencies don't list salary details.

If salary isn't indicated, ask it before applying as there is no point applying for a job which won't pay your bills. Ask if the salary is Gross (agencies still often advertise jobs as Net as perhaps they think nannies don't understand Gross pay).

How does nanny pay work (as it's obviously not self employed)?

PAYE like any other job. So your employer pays a Gross wage and deducts from that Employee Tax and Employee NI.

Useful calculator: www.mranchovy.com/calc (will do Net to Gross calculation. Helps if you know your taxcode, see your last payslip, otherwise accept the default).

If I used my car for work purposes how would petrol money work?

You log all mileage. I use a notepad in the car to log journeys (work travel only, does not include your journey to/from work). Then say once a month you put in a mileage claim. From 6th April 2011, HMRC approved mileage rate goes up to 45p per mile, for first 10,000 miles. Any pay amount over the approved mileage rate is taxable and reportable on the P11D (your employer does that) thus why most employers will pay up to the limit before it's taxable in my view.

What questions should I be asking potential employees and agencies when looking for work?

Often useful to ask if someone has had a nanny before (I prefer working for people who haven't, so I don't then have to match and exceed what someone did prior). Ask about if the position is likely to be long term or not (always hard to know but some parents may only be wanting someone for a few months or a year).
Consider what sort of family you would work best with - your experience looks to me to be mostly school aged children. That could work out fine, though consider how much housework duties you would be prepared to do whilst children were at school.

Have I got a better chance of finding work if I look for a part-time job instead of full time?

Maybe. Always hard to tell. Personally I quite like working 4-days a week.

Would people be put off if I said that I was planning on going travelling mid-2012?

Yes if they are wanting a nanny for long term. You are forming a relationship with the children and parents, last thing the parents will want is to have to find a replacement after a few months.

If you want to be a nanny, be a nanny. If you want to travel... go travelling.

Just my view of course. Others no doubt will have different views.

confuseddotcodotuk · 05/04/2011 00:21

Thanks Nannynick!

The elf bit was the best bit! ;) But I see your point, I'll edit that.

I have experience both sole-charge and not with babies and toddlers and am very comfortable caring for a toddler (not so much an under-9 months) but my experience is mainly with a close relative's children, which I've always avoided putting on my CV because it's looks a little teenager-esque imo.

I have three units full units and half of the rest of them. I've looked into completing it before and it's a nightmare, I'd have to go back to college full time for at least a year which isn't a viable option. I never found evening courses last year when I was looking but will look into it again.

The OU will take me though, I was signed up to start the course last September actually, however the job I was in didn't allow me the stability I needed to maintain a volunteer position which I needed to do the course I want. The studying I do for fun counts as enough for proof of independant study and being 21 means that I'm considered a mature student now, which is great.

I don't meet the criteria for Ofsted, I remember that from last year.

I was planning on asking for £6.50ish an hour gross which sounds about right then... I will be living with my sister and most of my pay goes straight into a savings account for travelling.

I'd prefer an older child or two and a toddler to work with, I personally feel it'd be beneficial to me for a job with that balance. I would also prefer full time if I can find it.

I think the only bit I can't see your point on in the whole bit is "If you want to be a nanny, be a nanny. If you want to travel... go travelling." Life isn't this simple, and neither nannying (well, working with kids) nor travelling are unimportant to me, both are huge parts of me. I'll do both eventually :) If nannying doesn't work out this time around then any job will have to do, I'd just rather enjoy my job and work with kids before I go really :)

Thank you for your comments, they're very helpful as you normally are! :)

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SnapFrakkleAndPop · 05/04/2011 08:05

You may find it difficult to complete your NVQ unless you look onto it now. The industry is switching to the new Diploma which us being pushed very heavily and, assuming your CACHE/whichever exam board registration is finite as most are and you started it in 2009 you're rapidly running out of time, both in terms if finding somewhere that will offer it - although your previous training provider may continue to support you - and in sheer workload needing to be done before the deadline.

nannynick · 05/04/2011 08:08

Would you be applying for temp or perm jobs and if the latter would you tell them about your plan to go travelling?
Some parents may want a short term nanny but I feel that a lot would be wanting some commitment.

confuseddotcodotuk · 05/04/2011 10:08

Snap: I know they're switching which tempted me to go back to college last year and finish it, but there's no way I'm moving back with my parents and attending college full time again. I get dangerously depressed when living at home so it's definately not worth it! I'm probably going to do what I did last year and just go straight for the degree again admittedly.

Nick: Probably apply to both and yes, I'd tell them that I intend to leave next year. I wouldn't tell a different kind of job but I don't think it is right to go into a nannying position and not tell my employers for the exact reasons you stated. If it puts people off of me then there's not much I can do. Just get a different job and volunteer again :)

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nannynick · 05/04/2011 10:44

I asked on Twitter and parents seemed happy as long as it was mentioned upfront.

confuseddotcodotuk · 05/04/2011 11:23

Really? That's brilliant news for me then :) If I could get a nanny job for the next year or so then I'd be so happy. I know I would be financially better off getting a night job or something but being passionate about your job is so much better and worth the smaller wage than just slogging it!

It would be over a year though, I'd be leaving mid-summer holidays 2012 (though would probably wait until school starts up again if I was in a nanny job at the time) so maybe I should try find a family with a 3yo who'll be starting reception classes in Sep 2012?

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SometimesIAmABirdbrain · 05/04/2011 11:50

I think that there are families out there who would be quite receptive to your travel plans. When I interviewed for my nanny, I made it clear when I offered the job that it would only be a one year role until my daughter started nursery as after that, my own job would end as I would be on maternity leave with no immediate plans to return to work. It worked well for her as she had just got married and wasnt sure about where she would be living in the long term. Obviously your luck would depend on finding families with similar requirements but no harm trying and you should definitely be upfront and positive about your travelling. g'luck.

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