Nanny with Own Child. Reduction in hourly rate?

[MarshaBrady]

What reduction do you think is reasonable?

Say a nanny was charging £9 per hour (pre-tax) four years ago. And now with own child charges £8 per hour.

I thought it was expensive but reasonable as the nanny is excellent and has great references.

But a friend said it she thought it should be nanny-share rates, ie £6 or 7.

I doubt that would happen. But it does mean nanny-share isn't possible for me.

What do people think about how much it should be?

I've been a nanny for 12yrs and have an 8yr old boy who in the holidays I take with me I've never had to have a pay reduction because of this even when he was tiny and I had him with me full time I always received the going rate. The nanny is still doing the same job with or without the child so should get the same pay.

Well IMO nanny isn't doing the same job, it's not quite undivided care of the employer's child but equally it's not the same situation as a nanny share as the employer retains pretty much total control. I'd say 25% gross reduction would be a good compromise but it does rather depend on how much the nanny was earning pre-child, competition in the area and the attitude of individual parents.

Nanny share rates tend to be an increased rate divided between the parents and it's not really a valid comparison as the dynamic is very different.

That makes sense Frakkle and thanks Donkir.

Is £10 pretax reasonable for London? (Good experience, live out, without own child).

I'm in West London and average seems to be £10ph after tax for anyone with good experience/qualifications.

I'm working in the wrong area. I need to move lol

Is it bad form to negotiate? Offer £7.50 pretax with child. Ah I suppose it's like anything, people charge what someone will pay.

As a parent you advertise the job at whatever you feel comfortable paying. If someone does not want the job at that salary, then keep looking for someone else.

What are you meaning by pretax? Is that before Tax Deductions?

Remember that you don't know what the nannies taxcode will be, plus the code could change during employment. So agree a Gross salary. www.mranchovy.com/calc/ will give an indication to the nanny as to their likely take-home pay.

I just advertised without a salary because I am flexible and will pay the going rate for the person I like most.

Pre-tax means I will pay £80 a day to nanny and sort out tax through nanny-tax.

Many nannies won't respond without at least a salary range, even if it's negotiable.

Also you don't want to negotiate net for the excellent reasons nick gives. Even if you sort it through nannytax you (and the nanny) need to be clear what the GROSS figure is, which you can estimate as a net figure assuming a normal tax code, no student loans, no additional deductions etc.

What is a reasonable nanny rate gross hourly or daily for London?

I am happy to run the advert again, and also very happy with some of the people that responded. But am in research stage.

Could be anything from £10-17gross per hour but it depends slightly on hours/days as well as the nanny's qualifications and experience.

I would advertise in the £10-15 range if you can afford it, assuming 5 10 hour days. Less than they and applicants are likely to be very inexperienced and only extremely qualified/experienced candidates are likely to expect more. Specify that nannies with own child will be considered and then offer at the bottom of that range.

Thanks Frakkle that is very helpful.

It's not the same at all as there are two children there instead of one. The rate should NOT be the same. If she wants it to be, then she should be putting her own in childcare, which defeats the purpose. You cannot give two children the same attention as one.

Cake, having it, eating it.

And it seems the nanny plus child on £8 (I do need to work out gross) could be on a competitive rate considering she has superb references and experience. It is 10 hours for five days.

agree there should be a reduction as the nanny will not be giving 100% to your own dc

area depending but i would have thought £10gross for nwoc is fine :)

Thanks Blondes

I have always taken my children to work and never took a pay cut. When you are a nanny you do not get paid per child. At the moment I look after two children for two days and four children two days the two children pay more than the one with four as that was what they were offering.

But from a parent's point of view, I'm amazed the parents of the other children accept that. You'd be better off financially sending them to a good nursery at that rate.

This would still be cheaper then sending two children to nursery. Nannies with children can work longer hours than nurseries. Or some people prefer childcare in their own home.

We reduced our nanny's rate by £2ph when she wanted to return with her 8mth old. She wasn't happy but I felt this was reasonable. She actually sought legal advice as she said she was entitled to come back on the same conditions she left. I said absolutely if you do come back to devoting your time solely to my DD.

Anyway, she reluctantly accepted but the relationship was damaged and we parted company.
That was fine by me as I was pregnant again anyway. I later saw her advertising on Nannyjob for £1 more so half way between. Then I think she gave up and got pregnant again herself.

IMO, if you want the same salary, put your child in childcare and come back under the same conditions.

I am a nanny with my own child and I get paid 75% of the normal rate for the local area. I supply most of my own equipment (travel cot, high chair) the only thing I expect the parents to supply is plates, bowls, cutlery etc. The parents also supply the food my child eats (but I bring my own lunch with me)

Yes fair enough, i took jobs on when I actually had my children. They knew I would be bringing them them, I actually got one job because I had a child.

I have a baby and if taking him to work with me would expect a 25% reduction in the hrly rate I charge (although I am top end of local rates and reducing it by 25% does only bring me inline with average local rates).