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cat226 · 20/02/2011 22:26

hi
for the last wee while i have been using a cm while both my self and hubby work full time, but in a few months she will go on mat leave,
im so undecided on whether to get a new cm or nanny,
i have never looked at getting a nanny so im looking for as much information on hiring nannies, what the guidelines are, contracts etc

please help

Cat

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nannynick · 20/02/2011 22:57

You will find lots of info by reading this section of mumsnet, so have fun hunting through the many discussions.

However, lets start by finding out more about your childcare needs... as a nanny is very expensive if you only have one child.

How many children do you have?

What hours of childcare do you need - eg. Start time, finish time.

What is your budget for childcare?

Do you need a nanny who can accept Childcare Vouchers? If so what country do you live in?

nannynick · 20/02/2011 23:02

Example Nanny Contract

There are no Guidelines. What do you mean by Guidelines?

HMRC: PAYE - introduction There are payroll companies who can do the PAYE stuff for you, for a fee. Such as www.PAYEforNannies.co.uk

cat226 · 20/02/2011 23:10

i have 3 children ages 8, 6, and 3,
there would b 2 days at 12 hours, then 2 days about 9 hrs, so works out about 41 hours a week,
am the moment in time im using a cm which costs me 150 week,
i have never used the childcare voucher as i do get help from the tax credits
we in scotland

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pollywollyhadadollycalledmolly · 21/02/2011 00:09

There is a link that im sure Nick will be able to give you that shows you the true cost of a nanny which i think in the example worked out at £30,000 +++ a year!

Which if you are paying £150 a week just now for a cm works out at £7800 a year (but that doesnt include any holidays you may take or cm may take).

So there is a big difference between £30,000 ++ and £7800 a year.

nannynick · 21/02/2011 06:48

Hard to know nanny salaries in Scotland as there are not that many jobs advertised. Looking at online job listings, £8-£10 gross per hour seems typical.

So... taking £8 gross per hour, 41 hours = £328 a week/£17,103 per year. Employers NI currently adds on £1458 (this amount will vary as NI rates change), so you are up to £18,561

You then have the added cost of activities, nannies mileage (if driving children around), cost of food, heating, electrics etc.

As you are in Scotland, to use Tax Credits or Childcare Vouchers you need to hire the nanny via a Nanny Agency. Some agencies offer a service which enables you to hire a nanny yourself, then just use the agency for registration purposes. So going for the lowest cost option, I think that would add another £150 say.

You could do payroll yourself, or use a payroll company, say another £130-£150 for that.

I am very surprised that a childminder can provide childcare for 3 children, for 41 hours a week, for £150. That figure in my mind must be wrong, there is something you are not telling us. Maybe you mean £150 per child. Maybe you mean £150 plus whatever you get from tax credits (think max from them is £240).

A nanny I feel will cost you £400+ a week.

WhatTheWhat · 21/02/2011 09:29

For three kids, the flexibility of a nanny is brilliant and the cost is easily comparable with the minder.
The quality of care is likely to be higher with a nanny, hence the old list of Mummy, Daddy, Granny, Nanny, Minder, Nursery. Quality of care from the child's point of view reduces as you go down the list.

funnylady · 21/02/2011 18:38

I disagree WhatTheWhat. Many childminders are ex nannies, even if not we follow the EYFS by law giving extremely high standards of care.

ThePrisoner · 21/02/2011 18:43

WhatTheWhat! Childminders are no better or worse than nannies - many childminders can be very highly qualified, but the quality of care is dependent on the individual, rather than qualifications.

thebody · 21/02/2011 19:09

as a cm I find your comments very disrespectful and factually wrong WhatTheWANT..

I had a mindee today who didnt want to go home as Nanny was picking up... ive also had a few who want to stay and play here rather than go home with parents.. so there...

thebody · 21/02/2011 19:10

and why should quality of care be any better or worse than with a nanny????

load of toss love!!! good and bad out there, parents, nannys, cms and nurserys..

thebody · 21/02/2011 19:11

god.. nanny as in granny.. midlands expression... dont want to offend paid nannys iyswim!!!!

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