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Wish childminders could just mind children.

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Kendodd · 12/01/2011 20:35

Why are childminders so regulated these days? I wish they could just look after children like a normal parent would. I don't want them doing observations on my children. I just want them bumping round the house playing while the childminder just got on with things. Playing/reading etc to them when they have time, not at the child's beckon call. Taking them to the supermarket with them, hanging the washing up doing normal things a parent would do, not a cross between a red coat and a teacher. Making sure they are always there when a child needs them, not every time a child wants them.

This sort of child minder doesn't seem to exist any more. Why not? If I wanted a nursery I would send them to a nursery.

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Dlamis · 13/01/2011 18:15

I am that sort of childminder. :) That's what my mindees parents want. And since they are the ones paying me, then they get what they want. I do do obs and planning but it's all very loose. When mindee first started we discussed what info they wanted in the daily diary the parents told me they'd seen some friends ones with pages of writing and loads of photos, and said they didn't want all that, they wanted me to spend the time looking after mindee. When i pointed out that most of it would be written up etc when mindee had gone home the response was that I shouldn't have to spend my own spare/free/ie unpaid time doing that.

My mindees parents are extremely happy with the care he recieves here. They know he is well cared for, safe, exposed to lots of new/learning experiences in all the everyday things we do. My last grading was satisfactory - parents said i should've got a good. Grin

BertieBotts · 13/01/2011 18:25

I don't get a daily diary - are CMs supposed to do this? Mine is very laid back (but that's why I like her Grin) Only area where I wish she'd be a bit less laid back is car seats, but DS hardly ever goes in her car anyway. (All legal etc just not the car seats I would choose)

BALD · 13/01/2011 18:34

BB, diaries/daily sheets for under-5s are considered good practice but it's not compulsory

LadyBiscuit · 13/01/2011 18:35

I told my CM that I wasn't interested in seeing any of the paperwork on him. He's three FGS - if he's not happy, he tells me. As far as I'm concerned, it's for OFSTED's benefit, not mine

Kendodd · 14/01/2011 09:37

What happens with the obs when they leave?

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new2cm · 14/01/2011 10:12

I am not disappointed with my "satisfactory" rating. I am a new childminder, I knew I was lacking in certain areas so I wasn't expecting outstanding, although a 'good' would have been appreciated!

What came as a shock was the underlying tone of the report and the number of actions and recommendations. Also the depth of the observations required and the amount of planning I am expected to do.

To be fair, the Early Years Team is not to blame and neither is the inspector. There is a criteria against which I am measured, and in some of these criterias I am/was lacking.

I do daily diaries. I do write observations and so on, but apparently that's not enough. I need to plan for 'next steps'. So for example, it is not enough to say, "x pulled themselves to standing, next step is to stand unaided". I have to describe in detail how x stood to standing, what steps I am going to take to encourage x to stand unaided, what equipment I need to make accessible to x to make that possible and so on. I am expected to do this with all the children in my care, even with the school-aged children. This causes further difficulties, as I am expected to 'communicate' with the school, who are not see keen to reciprocate. I was told that so long that I can prove that I have done all I can to engage with the other setting, that would be enough. Which is easier said than done but that's another thread topic.

There were several 'key words' and sentences in the report. 'Self-evaluation' is a big one. 'Information sharing' was another. "develop further systems" and "to ensure effective x, y, z" were frequent phrases too.

The parents who use my services are happy. It is the children that keep going and because I am blessed with the most wonderful mindees and parents, who think that I am "the best" despite what any report says. Smile

GoldFrakkincenseAndMyrrh · 14/01/2011 12:25

A good CM will do that and the planning/obs/paperwork goes on unobtrusively. It can even be applied retrospectively.

All this guidance is basically to ensure that the children have age-appropriate toys, that the CM knows what their next developmental stage should be and can encourage them towards that, that parents and other setings are kept informed of what's going on and ensure the environment is safe

Unfortunately it take 199 documents and twenty trees worth of pages to do that.

What annoys me isn't CMs doing all this, it's the amount of time and effort which has to be spent justifying it and the pressure it put them under.

pippin26 · 14/01/2011 13:10

Ken - the obs/learning journal/diaries/photos are all the property of the child/parent. The learning journal should go with the parent.
there is some information us minders need to retain - like accident and incident forms, contracts - the 'official stuff'.

The LJ (should) build into a similar record to what many parents develop from birth - a record of milestones, acheivements, special moments etc. Well thats what mine look like - with kids scribblings in, their pictures etc.

Tanith · 15/01/2011 11:19

I was interested to read an article in Early Years Education today that, if we're following the EYFS, we should be doing about 20% adult-focused activities and the remaining 80% should be self-chosen.

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