Rates: Live-in vs. Live-out Au Pair

[MultiTaskMom]

My live-in au pair of 2 years has decided she wants to live-out. She would like us to up her rate. I have no idea what the going live-out hourly / daily rate is.

I currently pay £40 per day (11hrs) for 3 days a week = £120 per 33hr week, plus I pay her taxes and NI contributions.

She has sole care of my 3 kids:
3yrs old twins: full time (excl 1 day at nursery for 3 hrs)
5yr old: at school from 9am-3pm (1day) and 9am-4pm (2days)

She lives with us full-time, and I cover all her costs. Any additional hours worked I pay her £8 per hour babysitting.

Any advice please?
MultiTaskMom

I don't think there is such a thing as a live out au pair. TBH it sounds as though you need a part time nanny, especially as she has sole care of young children for such a large chunk of time!!!

Hmmmm. Could be true. Any idea how much that costs?

If she's going to be providing childcare in your house and living elsewhere, youmust give her at least the minimum wage, but you are no longer obliged to meet her costs, as she would no longer be an au pair - she'd be your nanny.

She's going to end up worse offf, I hope she realises that. She's going to need at least £100 per week simply to accomodate herself (that's outside London!), never mind feed herself.

33 hours x £6 ph

£198 pw before tax and NI.

I know Coldtits (Love your name!!!). I have tried telling her that, but it's a case of she'll only realise how good she has it when she lives out....

Thanks for the rate advice.

According to a salary calculator website £198 per week would equate to £173.61 after NI and Tax were deducted.

Agree, minimum you can offer will be NMW due to her no longer being a live in employee. NMW rate varies dependent on the employees age.

A live-out qualified nanny would cost want more than NMW but assuming your au-pair is unqualified, then NMW is typical for a unqualified childcare worker in say a nursery.

Thanks. She's 19 and unqualified. So sounds like NMW it is. Thanks all!

why does she want to live out

£40per day for 11hrs is a dreadful wage tbh, but she is young and live ins have no min wage so you are prefectly legal :)

where does she want to live/does she know how much rent is a week plus food/bills etc

agree with others that an ap doesnt live out

what does she do the days she doesnt work for you?

There is such a thing as a live-out au-pair. A friend of mine had her 18 year old niece staying with her from Germany for 6 months to come and learn the language and she wanted to make some pocket money so worked as a live-out Au-pair.

It gave her time to take classes, practice her English, have lots of free time, but still live with her Aunt and have no expenses.

It's not £40 per day though Blondes, it is £40 plus full board and lodging 7 days a week. It depends greatly on where you live, but for us I reckon this is worth £120 per week. So that makes £240 a week (£120 of which is tax free) for 3 days - equivalent of about £98 a day gross. Not so bad for an unqualified 19 year old eh?

There is no relevant() legal significance of an au pair or a nanny() so you can call her what you want.

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(*) relevant being the key word, pedants please bit your tongues

Hmm, let me rephrase that.

There is no relevant() legal significance of the term 'au pair' or 'nanny'() so live-in or live-out, you can call her what you want.

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(*) relevant being the key word, pedants please bite your tongues

BecauseItoldyouso, if your friends niece was living with her aunt like you say, she was not live out, she was live in.

Per definition an au pair is a young person, unqualified in childcare who comes on a cultural exchange to better his/her language skills, who offers some childcare and housework in exchange of board and lodging for a period of time. They dont earn a salary, but get some pocket money, usually between 50-80 per week, for between 25 and 40 hours work per week.

QuintMissesChristmasesPast - She was not live-in as she did not work for her aunt she worked for another family for 15-25 hours per week but lived with her Aunt FOC. So the money she made was hers.

She was not considered a nanny as she was not qualified in anyway, was here short term to learn English and did minimal sole-charge.

QuintMissesChristmasesPast definitions similar to that are used by some people, but they have no legal significance in the UK (except in the context of work permits for Bulgarian and Romanian nationals).

Sorry, I misunderstood, I thought she worked for the aunt.
That is a pretty rare situation though.

MrAnchovy, I dont really care about the legal significance of the definition of a nanny or an au pair. I have never employed a nanny. I have had several au pairs though. However, if I were to leave my children in sole care of somebody for more than an hour or two daily, I would choose either a childminder, qualified nanny or a nursery. Not an au pair.

She probably met someone and wants to move in with him .