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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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Childminder with fake paperwork

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luzt · 25/09/2010 20:40

I am going back to work and we have been interviewing millions of nannies, babysitters, paying visits to nursery and etc, than we found this childminder on a certain childcare website and just reading her profile we felt like choosing her. First time we payed her a visit we were sure she was the one for us and we have been meeting and visiting her constantly to settle our 2 month old and getting t know her and her child better and we have no doubts that she can provide the childcare that we want even though she became a childminde recently and our child will be her first mindee (she is a former nursery teacher and babysitter). But there is one little thing...She is renting and her landlord refused to give her permission to childmind in the flat. Her child is starting school now and she does not want another job as she wants to take her of him. She is desperate to move out but got no money for deposit and firts month rent upfront so she faked a pemission letter from her landlord and will childmind whitout his permission until she got enough money to move out. She was honest about this first time I called her to enquire..So, what to do now...

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mollymax · 25/09/2010 20:44

Is there any way she could come to your house and be a naany, If she is "perfect" for you in all other ways.
Would not be happy that she has forged a letter from landlord.

MuddlePuddle86 · 25/09/2010 20:45

If she doesn't have her permission, it probably throws EVERYTHING out of the window...insurance being the main one, and if your little one gets hurt, there won't be public liability insurance...it also means that she probably won't get a full criminal check in terms of registering her property as a child minding property, this also means the health and safety standards will be lacking...there has to be other child carers without putting your tot at risk?

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luzt · 25/09/2010 20:49

Well as I said we have a 2 month baby and she has a 3.5 year old, she wants to do the school run and take the child to classes aswell and that is why she is a childminde now and that is why she is happy to look after such one child only specially being a young baby.Plus we need someone really flexible as we just know the time we requie for childcare every Friday for the following week...the days and hours will always change and from her profile we already could see that she would work around our requirements. Plus depending on our working shifts, she will collect or hand over our baby at underground station, as our house is not exactly close t hers but one of the sations in the line we use is.

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luzt · 25/09/2010 20:51

she has got CRB, insurance and she is registered with ofsted

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MuddlePuddle86 · 25/09/2010 20:54

Yeah, can't she come to your house? There is a difference between hiring her as a childminder and hiring her as a nanny. If she's a nanny she can take children to her home without the required paperwork-as long as it isn't listed as her primary place of work (that could be your address). But if you're not too bothered about it, why get caught up in red tape? If it was my lo I don't think I'd be satisfied with forged paperwork, as it's a glimpse of their character...is your babies safety priority over convenience?

nannynick · 25/09/2010 20:58

I don't actually see how it is a problem at all, for the end user.

If the regulator (Ofsted in England) has registered the person as a childminder... then they will have inspected the property and carried out background checks on adults in that property. The childminders public liability insurance as far as I know would still be valid... it's just the buildings/contents insurance that would not be valid. If the building were to collapse, you would just sue the person... not really care too much about the onward chain of liability.

Have you seen a registration certificate? Have you been able to confirm with the regulator that the certificate is valid (such as by entering the URN on Ofsted's website).

MuddlePuddle, am I missing something... how would landlords refusal affect the insurance? Is there a smallprint clause somewhere?

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luzt · 25/09/2010 20:58

What do you mean when you say that if she is a nanny she can take my baby to he home...I have never heard such a thing

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nannynick · 25/09/2010 21:00

So she's got a CRB check, liability insurance and Ofsted registration certificate. So where is the problem? I'm just not spotting where the issue is - the landlord may not have granted permission, but how would that affect other things?

nannynick · 25/09/2010 21:02

MuddlePuddle what are you going on about?

If she's a nanny she can take children to her home without the required paperwork-as long as it isn't listed as her primary place of work (that could be your address).

If she's a nanny she can't take children back to her own home for more than 2 hours in a day. It's the usual 2-hour rule that applies (Childcare Act 2006).

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luzt · 25/09/2010 21:04

yes, nannynic she is registered and I have checked everything, no other documentation is fake only the lanlords permission and she was honest with me on the first time I ever spoke to her on the phone. she didnt want us to waste our time so she explained that when she realize the landlod wouldnt give permission she was half way through the procedures and she decided to move out but she need the money first. Once she has the money she will move to a place whose the private landlady is sister in law of her best friend and will give notice to her tenants (who rents separate rooms and share the facilities)and let the place to her and let her childmind from there.

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nannynick · 25/09/2010 21:08

luzt - what made you decide to post on here?

If you saw this situation being a non-issue, then you wouldn't have posted anything. Given that you have posted about it, is there something about it that you are not happy with?

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luzt · 25/09/2010 21:10

Like you nannynick I dont see it as a big problem and she also pointed to the landlord that she would look after only one baby so that would be pretty much like having another child of her own and not like a business but he decided to be unreasonable, I am just worried about the problems she could face if Ofsted or the Landlord find it out before she moves.

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luzt · 25/09/2010 21:12

basicly because I chose her and I want her to look after my child, I dont want her to start and suddenly stop

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nannynick · 25/09/2010 21:18

It may not be reliable childcare, as if Landlord finds out they may evict her I suppose.

You are worried... you haven't got full confidence that things will be ok. You are having doubts. Is that fair to say?

Could you find someone else, then once she is settled in her new home, then consider her again.

MuddlePuddle86 · 25/09/2010 21:18

nannynick- if she has a child of her own, and needs to go to and from school 2 hours a day is suffice for this, the rest of it can be at Lutz's home. But I agree Lutz, if you thought it was kosher you wouldn't be wondering about it. My advice is to find someone else.

MuddlePuddle86 · 25/09/2010 21:20

And stop with your nasty attitudes I was just adding my input-and you may not have "heard of such a thing", I have never heard of a parent being so careless as to even consider a childminder/nanny/babysitter who has lied throughout any of the vetting process.

nannynick · 25/09/2010 21:21

Anyone could start and then stop (give notice) due to various circumstances. Your baby may not settle... may spend all day screaming. That can happen in any childcare setting - nursery, childminder, nanny - thus can result in the provider giving notice to end the agreement.

MuddlePuddle86 · 25/09/2010 21:22

And yes, the insurance would be VOID if there was an accident in the home when that property is not registered for it's required use (similar to if you have insured a car and added modification and not let the insurance company know).

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luzt · 25/09/2010 21:24

Well I wish she hadnt tell me anything because for me what really matters is that she is checked and registered, my husband, I and the baby get on really well with her and her child and she has got wonderful references from nurseries managers, and people she babysat before and we confirmed everything by phone.
Sure the other childminders out there that done the same because all tenancy agreements state that it is not allowed to run a business at the property so how the others childminder get away with it...I dont know...

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MuddlePuddle86 · 25/09/2010 21:26

Perhaps the others own their homes. In all fairness your baby is 8 weeks old (?) and will probably adapt to anyone at that age.

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luzt · 25/09/2010 21:28

sorry muddlepuddle if I came accross as nasty, I never heard that a nanny could take the children that she look after to her house and asked you about the information. I was thought that the 2 hours period was for favors from friends, etc

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luzt · 25/09/2010 21:29

and I dont think that landlord pemission is vetting process anyway, he might be just worried about his cheap carpet

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luzt · 25/09/2010 21:33

the baby would adapt, yes, but would I?
and no, I know childminders who rent and they are the majority

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onimolap · 25/09/2010 21:34

If she used fake information to get her registration, then that registration is potentially voidable and all the other protections (insurance) etc would be voidable too.

And if it came to the landlord's attention, he could bubble her to OFSTED etc, and seek eviction action.

It leaves you in a very uncertain position. It could all go very wrong on no notice. Can you withstand this?

nannynick · 25/09/2010 21:37

A nanny CAN NOT take children they care for back to their [the nannies home] for total time in a day exceeding 2 hours (day being 2am to 6pm under Childcare law in England). That's the moment in time that Childminder registration is required. The nanny could therefore go back to their home for an hour or so... though they may not be covered under their nanny public liability insurance (they should notify their insurer to obtain confirmation that insurance cover will still be provided in such a situation).

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