Right... CM'S , Nannies what the best way to sort this.?

[Gravitygirl]

Need some advice with the ins and outs of childcare and the best for this sitution, so would really appreciate your knowledge.

I dont hold any childcare qualifications, apart from a GNVQ Health and Social Care ( which I know is not strictly speaking childcare) this allowed me in the past to work as a nanny and in creches before I started University.

Fast forward to today and I have 2 young children, and I have been toying with the idea of childminding but have been put off by the while turning your home into a nursery thing, I dont have enough space I feel to look after kids here.

But my friend has just asked me to look after her two children when she goes back to work and would want to use wtc to pay me, I understand I need to be registered to do this and therefore wondered if I could be emplyed as a nanny? but then I see to be registered with ofsted you need a level 2 qulification, is this right?
She would prefer for me to look after them in their own home ( as would I tbh)
Can anyone offer any advice?

You are right, it will be down to if your qualification is suitable for Ofsted nanny registration.

See other threads about nannies being paid via tax credits - while it's possible, have yet to find anyone actually doing it.

From the list I've seen it's not suitable but you can do an ICP or the MNT distance course. The ICP wouldlet you register as a CM in future (in theory). It also used to let you build up to a level 3, not sure how the new diploma changes that.

But you can nanny even while the registration is being processed - just make sure you have your 1st aid up to date and insurance in place. She wouldn't be able to start using vouchers or WTC til you were registered though.

Yes, I have seen those , why is it such a problem ( excuse my ignorance) getting paid as a nanny through wtc?

How would I find out if my quals are suitable and what I can do to fufill them?

Im sure I know someone who is ofsted registered and has no qualifications...

I suspect it's a problem because it's rare!

Anything here : secure.cwdcouncil.org.uk/eypqd/qualification-search is fine, plus the specific common core courses I mentioned, the ICP or MNT course.

I cant follow that link, sorry for being dim,also where do I find out about the ICP and MNT and is it just any first aid course or a specific one I need to do?

Sorry about 50 questions...

ok Ive got the info re: icp and mnt, Im feeling super silly today.

Think part of the problem with WTC may be that to qualify for WTC your income has to be quite low, yet a nanny is paid quite high.

It is possible in theory, I did some calculations on another thread earlier this week, or end of last week.

With 2 children, max claim is £300 of childcare costs a week, which if 80% award, tax credits pays £240 leaving the parent to pay the remainder.
A nanny however could cost £100+ a day. So if it's 3 days it may be ok, if longer then parent is having to find a lot more money - if they earn more money, then they may not qualify for the tax credits. Needs careful calculation, and knowledge of how the scheme works, what the thresholds are etc.

No worries :) 12 hour paediatric 1st aid course.

If you copy/paste the link and remove the space my phone seems to have inserted it should work. here?

1st aid course needs to meet Ofsted requirements. Length is not specified, though many courses that do meet requirements are done over 2 days / 12 hours.

ok great, thanks for the information.

I would be required to work at least 2 10 hours days for two children one whom would be 6 months old and maybe occasional hours if needed.

We figured the £240 given would cover that? I am being naive in thinking thats how straightforward it should be?

Yes, that's too simplistic. There is Tax, National Insurance, Employers National Insurance to take into account if you are going to be their nanny.

£240 sounds quite high for 20 hours a week, give it is in effect a nannyshare (I presume you will take your children with you).

Have a look through the message threads in this section of Mumsnet to get a feel for nanny salaries, nannyshares, taxation issues, working relationship between employer (parent) and employee (nanny).

This helps give an idea of the many costs involved for an employer when having a nanny. The salary is just the start of the costs, there are more to add on - what about outings for example... how would you get to those, who would pay. What about food for lunch, tea, snacks.