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Advice regarding taking on a nanny- how does it work?

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510fudge · 10/08/2010 21:04

Hello all. Am hoping you can help.

I start a new job in September. I have a DS aged 3 who will be going to state pre-school (with wrap around care available) from then. My DD has just turned one and the nursery my son has been to since he was one doesn't have places available all of the days I'll be working.

As they will be in different places, and I work strange hours (9-2.30) it works out expensive putting them both into nursery. One of the girls who used to work at nursery has just left and is looking for a nannying position. She babysits for us, is great with the kids and I completely trust her, and she has said that she would be willing to nanny for us.

So far so good...! But I have some questions and a few queries and was wondering whether you lovely ladies could help....

  • any thoughts as to standard hourly/daily rate for a nanny?
  • does it make a difference to the hourly rate if employ direct or via an agency and, if so, by how much?
  • any other (dis)advantages of employing direct compared to via an agency (eg I have heard that it is difficult to run some of the administrative things, such as payroll/tax returns, if employ direct)?
  • what qualifications should we check the nanny has obtained and is there a need for any kind of insurance?
  • any other thoughts welcome

Thanks

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BusyBeeKim · 10/08/2010 21:29

any thoughts as to standard hourly/daily rate for a nanny?

The rates will depend on the area that you live in and her experience etc. For example in London the rates are generally £8-£10 net per hour.

does it make a difference to the hourly rate if employ direct or via an agency and, if so, by how much?

The hourly rate won't be any different if you employ the nanny directly or go through and agency. Another thing to keep in mind is the tax, NI and employers NI. You can join an agency that specialise in payroll for nannies. Examples are Nannytax, Way2Paye, Taxingnannies, Nannypaye. There are quite a few out there if you google nanny tax.

any other (dis)advantages of employing direct compared to via an agency (eg I have heard that it is difficult to run some of the administrative things, such as payroll/tax returns, if employ direct)?

Some of the advantages of using an agency would be that they can sort through all the CV's that can come in after advertising. Help with contract. Do the initial legwork to save you time. Answer any questions that you might have and can offer support if something were to go wrong.

what qualifications should we check the nanny has obtained and is there a need for any kind of insurance?

Not all nannies have qualifications. I have met some fantastic nannies with no qualifications but alot of experience. You should make sure that she has an up to date CRB and first aid certiicate. If you do want someone with qualifications look for NNEB, NVQ, CACHE. These are the main ones. I think insurance is fairly important. If she is ofsted registered this will be a requiremnet on that registration.

I hope that helps.

BusyBeeKim · 10/08/2010 21:29

Sorry about the spelling. My keyboard is sticking a little.

nannynick · 10/08/2010 22:24

One of the girls who used to work at nursery has just left and is looking for a nannying position.

Check the contract you have with the nursery for any clause about hiring their staff within a specific time period of that staff member, or you leaving the nursery.

  • any thoughts as to standard hourly/daily rate for a nanny?

It varies by area and by the nannies experience plus market forces. A nanny in their first position outside of London could expect I'd say £7 gross an hour perhaps.

  • does it make a difference to the hourly rate if employ direct or via an agency and, if so, by how much?

You already know the person so why would you want to use an agency? Nanny agencies are recruitment agencies, they shift through the applicants and pick out those who are the best match - they should also be checking things like the nannies references and right to work in the UK. In your case, you already know the person... so you can skip these steps (though do ask to see a passport to check identity and nationality).

  • any other (dis)advantages of employing direct compared to via an agency (eg I have heard that it is difficult to run some of the administrative things, such as payroll/tax returns, if employ direct)?

You are the Employer regardless. HMRC provide you with online and CD-ROM based resources to do the PAYE. You can make life a little easier by getting a payroll company to do that for you, such as PAYEforNannies (who I currently like, as my boss does not seem to have any trouble with them at all).

  • what qualifications should we check the nanny has obtained and is there a need for any kind of insurance?

Are you needing the nanny to be Ofsted registered so that you can part-pay using Childcare Vouchers? If so, then they must meet the requirements of the Ofsted scheme, which includes things such as an appropriate first aid course (like the St.Johns 12-hour Early Years First Aid), childcare training which is on the CWDC Qualifications List, Nanny Insurance.

If you don't require Ofsted registration... then the nanny does not have to have any qualification or insurance... though these days the nanny is advised to have insurance if they can get it.

As employer, you will have Employers Liability insurance as part of your home insurance - check the wording on your policy. This will help cover you if your employee is injured whilst working at your home.

  • any other thoughts welcome
Do they drive... do they have a suitably equipped car? Do they have Class 1 Business motor insurance (or better yet specialist childcare motor insurance).

Have you already read my Example costs of employing a nanny, post on Sat 05-Dec-09 11:29:55. It is worth a read as it helps identify other associated costs - such as activities/outings and how quickly such costs can mount up.

Consider what you will do about providing a minimum of 5.6 weeks holiday for your nanny (the 5.6 weeks is inclusive of Bank Holidays). If not working 5 days a week, use the BusinessLink Holiday Calculator to determine the correct holiday entitlement in days, or hours.

Consider what you will do regarding the nanny having any time off, such as sickness.

You need to have a contract... you could use the ANA contract as a starting point and modify it to your specific requirements.

Remember to agree a GROSS salary
"This salary is ......... per month before deduction of Tax and National Insurance."

Where it says "Reasoned for summary dismissal include the following" I would suggest you add specific examples if possible.

510fudge · 11/08/2010 09:57

Thank you everyone- really helpful pointers. I guess the agency was mentioned just because we wondered whether that would be easier for dealing with the tax situation. But it seems the better option is the PAYE nanny type companies.

Another question is what duties do nannies actually undertake beside the obvious childcare? Am thinking of things like cooking the children's meals and also laundry. Think I would olike to incldue a job description in the contract from the start as we have known this girl for a few years via nursery and I'd quite like to get things onto a formal footing.

Many thanks again, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 11/08/2010 10:55

nannys generally undertake nursery duties (tho we often disgaree on mn what that actually invloves lol)

generally the nanny will do anything to do with the children

clean and keep tidy the areas the child uses, ie kitchen/playroom/bedroom

do the childrens washing and ironing

change bedding

cook healthy meals

other duties some of us have had over the years, tho tech shouldnt be included

catching escaped chickens/dogs
unblocking toilet/sewer
making a bedside cabinet
cleaning out horses
cutting grass

Strix · 11/08/2010 11:50

You do pay more for a nanny through an agency because they jack up the rates so they will get more commission. And they often send you totallyinappropriate candidates, and don't send you that candidates who are appropriate.

I wouldn't jump to 8 or 10 net for an x nursery worker. I would ask what she earns now and give her a comfortable rasie... say 15%? If someone offered me a 15% raise on my current salary, I'd hand in my resignation. You will of course have to consider how many hours you want to give her and her overall income.

One of the best advantages of a nanny is that you can choose the after school activities. We do dance, violin, and swimming - none of which could happen at a nursery / childminder.

I would get a payroll company and skip the agency, personally. Mumsnet can give you interview tips, selection process, pay advice, and ad hoc advice whenever you need it -- for free!

It sounds like you already have the nanny lined up so you probably dn't really need much help in recruiting, but as this is your first probably do need advice on the contract and working relationship issues (i.e. is it fair to ask the nanny to ___ ?)

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