honey Sorry about my post. I'd had about 3 glasses of wine when I posted and wasn't as measured as I should have been.
I think the reason I have strong feeling on the subject is my first birth was awful, truly awful and I believe it wouldn't have been if I hadn't been so scared, processed, ignored, argued with, filled with chemicals. in pain etc. I planned carefully for the environment for my second and practised some techniques and she just swam out, taking the mw by surprise who told me I wasn't acting like I was even in established labour.
It took an amazing amount of courage, and I spent the first 8 months breaking down at every single mw appointment and screaming that I was going to have a c/section, telling them they were barbaric to put me through my first experience again and that was no way on earth I'd every give birth in a hospital again without one. So when, it was eventually agreed, and I was free to choose from the full range of options I began to feel in control, and used that to get exactly the type of vb birth that would lead to the best outcome.
It wasn't the type of birth that most people can have easily I'm afraid. It took the same level of shouting and screaming to get it, but I did and I believe from the bottom of my heart that if more women could have the opportunity of births go the way mine did, no-one would bother with pain-relief.
Do I believe my first child would not have been brain damaged if my first birth was set up like my last?
Absolutely!