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Silliest resons why you can't have a home or water birth

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mamamaisie · 31/03/2010 12:51

I thought it would be interesting to get a thread going on the silliest reasons you have been given for not being allowed a home or water birth.

I'm 37 weeks and booked in for a home birth. I told my midwife last week that I want to have a water birth. The pool is already ordered and waiting downstairs. She gave me a really disapproving look and said it would depend on the midwife on duty that day as some of them won't consent to doing water births. I was expecting the reason to be that some midwives are not trained for water births but no ... her words were "some of them won't bend over and you can't do a water birth without bending over"!!!!

Could this be the real reason that midwives like women to labour on their backs on a raised hospital bed?

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Arcadie · 01/04/2010 17:18

Am having CX now so hopefuly for HB. Since we only took delivery of the pool last night and haven't yet managed to work out how to set it up I fear that the "W" bit of the "HWB" may not happen. But that's not a MW fault - that's my friend not remembering week after week to get it down from her loft. (She was facing an ectopic pgcy so I'll let her off!)

Sorry OP for hijacking thread.

holytoast · 01/04/2010 19:02

well, my not so silly reason, I have just found out, is that baby is breech. 37 weeks, pool arrved today. sitting here in boxes mocking me with how much money we have wasted.
I feel silly, does that count?

Tangle · 02/04/2010 09:35

holytoast - DD1 was a breech baby born at home. And I used my lovely rented heated filtered pool as a wallow in the last few weeks and for part of the labour. We turned to IMs to ensure the MWs had good breech skills, but it can be done (although she was a land birth - the MWs hadn't done a breech water birth and I didn't fancy being a guinea pig!)

holytoast · 02/04/2010 09:53

Thanks Tangle - they are going to try to turn the stubborn little so and so on tuesday, but have talked about c section in two weeks if not. Going to set up the pool and wallow in it, on all fours of course, and will be doing lots of headstands if the ECV doesn't work...but they basically said, no way hose, no hb. (or anything else but C section!)

The midwife is already very negative, and this would just be one too far methinks...can't afford independents.

Don't mind going in, just really don't want c section!

foxytocin · 02/04/2010 10:04

you can ask to have a different midwife if this one is so negative she is stressing you out. I did just that for that reason.

an acquaintance had a breech birth at the hospital nearest us last year. she, i can only imagine had supportive midwives.

hope baby turns soon. I have lots of skirting boards you can come clean for me.

sweetkitty · 02/04/2010 10:14

I have had the last two HBs at 41+5 and 40+5

I was booked in for a HB this time as well (am 35 weeks) but the MW has been so against it, I think she is lazy and cannot be bothered organising it all.

So far I have had the old post partum haemorrhage thrown at me.

This one is a boy so may not be as straightforward as the girls were.

I am so fast that the MWs might not reach me in time (but apparently dialling 999 is better and having paramedics deliver me)

I am actually seeing a consultant next week as I am now thinking of going the complete opposite way and having an induction at 40 weeks for very painful SPD that has left me unable to walk and as I am so fast I am terrified of going into labour at home alone with a 5, 4 and 20 month old to look after as well.

Jennylee · 02/04/2010 11:10

they like to freak you out with that pph thing , 'what if you crash you don't want to be far from the hospital then' was what my mw said although she is coming to talk to me at the house on wednesday to plan the hb, I'm worried my bathroom is not nice enough as just moved and there are tiles off the wall adn the flooring is crap but we have ordered new flooring. I'm 35 weeks aswell. also my mum keeps saying if you die havng ti at home who will look after the babies then, so I don't knwo how I will feel when labour starts will I be happy to have planned the hb or will I be thinking what if I bleed to death the whole time as thats what these little comments do to people, cause anxiety either way.

sweetkitty · 02/04/2010 12:33

I was actually told "what if the baby dies at home? you will have to go into that room all the time or move house!"

The PPH thing really annoys me it's a stick to beat HBers with, the thing is the MWs carry the same drug that they give you straight away in the hospital if there is a hint of PPH. And if you are approaching blood loss that might suggest things are not as they should be you can go straight to hospital.

gailforce1 · 02/04/2010 14:57

Presumably you do not get this negativity from an Independent Midwife?

Jennylee · 02/04/2010 23:15

thats horrible sweetkitty to be told that, I don't understnad why they give us the choice and have it as part of their job if it is so dangerous, its not like we are asking for something thats way out there its meant to be up to us, a choice of where to have the baby, I hope my mw is positive on wednesday as I would not like someone coming to be there when I give birth if they hate doing homebirths and think it ia a crap idea.

zazen · 03/04/2010 03:45

wow,

Grandhighpoohba, hi, I have to disagree with you a little bit there from your 13:50:24 post: there are actually more people than just you involved in 'your' birth - remember the baby? Are you thinking of free birthing?
Of course there's a team there - and you and your babe are part of it. No wo/man is an island. A baby isn't an inert tooth you can wiggle and pull out yourself.

I find it difficult to accecpt this idea that mothers come first, before everyone else - before the baby, before everyone else in the room. There are health and saftey guidlines for midwives and health care workers put there for VERY good reasons.

In Holland the health and saftey guidline list is long and detailed of how you have to have your house, and modify your furniture, to exact specifications, down to the centimeter so that the midwive can actually help you without damaging herself. Midwives come into inspect with a measuring tape, and things must be PERFECT for them before they will help you. I think this is common sense, and decency. Most babies in Holland are born at home - they are doing something right.

I can't see how asking a midwife to come in and help you out when she's in between her shifts is a good practice
Think of the practicalities.. when is that woman supposed to rest?
She was supposed to be off, asleep or having her dinner / life, putting her own kids to bed. What about the next woman on her caseload? Had this midwife enough time and rest to be back at the top of her game for the next woman who deserved the best attention also?

It's important to remember that a midwife doesn't go home to tuck herself in after she's worked to help you, and seen you and babe all tucked up in your own bed.
No! She goes out and helps another woman and another until her shift is over - that is if some cheeky mare on her caseload doesn't get herself incapacatated in the pool, and needs a few midwives to help each other to hoik her out!

What are you like It seems strange to me, this thought that a birthing mother is the most important person in the room - and people should bend over backwards for her - really? My thinking is that no one is more important than another, no one is less important either.

It's no wonder midwives are leaving the profession with the lack of respect shown and the unrealistic and rigid mindsets of mothers to be. They need to recruit gymnasts with speed habits to keep up with the caseloads and expectations

Let me just say, before you have switched off completly

I really do wish you all, all the best in your lovely homebirths, but please try to remember that midwives are women just like you, who need and deserve respect and consideration, just like you. They're not there primarily to be at your beck and call outside their hours, or asked to do things that might damage their health, they are there to help you give birth, and to safely deliver your baby. They are trained to do this.

There is a team there, no matter how pregnant you personally feel: I am Mother, hear me Roar feelings can get the better of us!
But really, no woman gives birth on her own. At best it's a dance between the mother and the baby. At worst it involves a whole lot of other people.

Good luck with birthing your lovely babies, at home where you are actually safer from infections etc, and I hope you, your babe and your midwives enjoy the experience safely and with mutual respect.

foxytocin · 03/04/2010 07:37

Zazen, in the first half of your post you raised issues which are the responsibility of the hospital trusts.

The number of midwives in hospitals and on homebirth teams are shamefully below what is required.

The guidelines for what a birthing mother should have in the home as you specify in Holland are non existent here as far as I know. It is the Trust's responsibility to draw up any such protocol. Many trusts seem to be making it up as they go along. I am sure they do internal risk assessments and some midwives don't want to do the 'paperwork' themselves so they just lie to mothers instead. Here in the UK some Trusts actively encourage midwives to discourage mothers from asking for a home birth.

Parents in the UK are told they have a choice. But like Jennylee just said, they don't have a real choice if they are going to be cheated out of a home birth because the hospital trusts won't invest in an appropriate number of midwives to staff hospitals or home birth teams and do not invest in training so that home birth midwives feel confident about attending home births. (I sensed that my community midwives were panicking that they may have to turn up at mine!)

If the want birthing mothers to provide things right down to exact specifications for home biths then by all means, do, but don't let them think they can turn up and give spurious excuses on why they 'aren't allowed' can't have a home birth.

porcamiseria · 03/04/2010 10:07

cos I want every pain relief known to man, really Dont want a HB!!!!

inveteratenamechanger · 03/04/2010 10:23

Good posts, zazen.

zazen · 03/04/2010 14:35

Thanks
I'm not actually based in the Uk so your system of NHS trusts and management of healthcare workers are a bit of a mystery to me. There are boards of governors of most of the maternity hospitals here, and domicillary midwive schemes attached to the hospitals. And there are independant midwives of course - costing an eye watering three and a half thousand euros.

My sprightly and enthusiastic midwive team was very keen indeed to help me birth at home, and to advocates on my behalf to do so. They had a good look around my home, measuring the shower door aperture etc to help me to decide where would be the best place to labour and push, that would suit us all. As it turned out 'my' homebirth was not to be due to complications - fetal distress.

I do hope all you lovely ladies can pop out your babes with ease and comfort in your own homes, remembering though that the women who are employed to help you have a right to do their work without injuring themselves on you and your babe's behalf

Bon Chance!

CrankyTwanky · 03/04/2010 22:27

Last birth, 2 weeks ago.
While staggering walking to the labour ward I demanded the pool. MW said no as I was induced.
I told her that was bollocks, and they said it was because it was staff handover time and they couldn'tleave me as they thought I was pushing.(I wasn't.)

Had a horrible birth.
Tore badly.
Really, really upsetting tbh.

blueshoes · 03/04/2010 22:55

dd had congenital heart problems detected in antenatal scans.

slhilly · 04/04/2010 06:46

ItsAllGoingToBeFine -- we bought some large tarpaulins...didn't use them in the end, but we bought them. We are very houseproud and there was no mess at all from the birth (but lots of mess from the baby in the days and weeks after)

Grandhighpoohba · 04/04/2010 09:45

zazen, wow yourself, some big assumptions there.

My point was that midwives are not equal players in a team, they are paid to be there and will never be as invested as the mother, and of course the baby. And yes, I am aware that there is a baby involved!

Have a read of the posts on here and tell me if you think all these midwives are acting like we are all part of one big team. Many are over-worked and not well enough trained. A proportion treat pregnant women like a nusance (sp)

I "played nice" last time, and they denied me food and drink for 20 hours, wouldn't allow me in any position other than on my back for "health and safety" reasons, and let me push for 4 hours before they noticed he was facing the wrong way.

So you will forgive me for not feeling like part of the team. This time round, I will be standing up for myself!

TulipsInTheRain · 04/04/2010 09:55

The hospitals here don't have pools and homebirths cost over a 1000 euros

In the end i went into hospital and the mw almost missed the birth anyway as she was out of the room.

Then ds2 developed aspirated pneumonia due to getting a gush of blood straight in the face while he was taking his first breathe... which wouldn't have happened in a water birth... and eneded up in SCBU for 5 days

jurisfictionoperative · 06/04/2010 01:10

Hi all.
I am just lurking hereabouts, looking forward to dc3, who I am hoping to convince dh to ttc sometime soon!!
I would like to add my twopenneth on this subject though.
When being induced, having been allowed no other options, I got every excuse possible for not getting in the pool.. when you go up to delivery, no one told us to run it, I'll run it in a minute, its taking ages, you need to push now! I didnt consider a homebirth for ds or dd, but having lurked about for sometime, and doing a lot of research, next time I deliver, I will be looking for exactly the birth I want, having researched it thoroughly, and not taken any crap from the midwives or doctors. I will not be drugged to the gills, on my back, in the hospital unless it is absolutely totally necessary! Knowledge is power, be reasonable, but dont be pushed around. I will definately be aiming for a hwb next time.
I quite agree with zazen, that midwives are here to help and deserve to be treated nicely. However, having experienced 2 births and looking back with over a decade of hindsight, I really think that midwives and doctors over manipulate mothers in order to arrange schedules etc to their own specifications. It is unforgivable to talk mothers into anything to fit timetables etc. I was told I couldnt be induced over the weekend, due to low staffing levels, and a friend was told she might have to have a cesarean for the same reason!!
In midwives defense though (sort of), I also think that a lot of mothers do not do enough research to help themselves.
If you have a good idea of the delivery you would like, and your circumstances (baby position, general health, and not carpet colour!!)are right, do your research and stick to your guns! If not, find out in advance and understand what the different interventions mean, and how they work.

It'll be a home water birth for me next time, and I will be fine, as we don't have carpets, wrong colour or otherwise!!

CheerfulYank · 06/04/2010 01:19

I can't have one 'cause I'm too big of a baby to do a birth w/o an epidural.

Otherwise, would love one. I know a few people who've done them and they say it's marvelous.

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