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Downgrading of maternity units

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Jux · 24/03/2010 21:55

I don't know if this is a national strategy, but it seems to be happening all over East Devon.

My local - very wonderful - hospital, which provides fantastic maternity services is seeing those services downgraded to a birthing unit. A birthing unit at another nearby town has been closed, supposedly temporarily, but in the last couple of days it has been announced that it will not re-open. In yet another town, the Maternity Services at their local hospital are being downgraded to Birthing Unit, too.

Apparently, these closures, and tranfer of midwives to the major Trust Hospital in the city, is going to be an improvement. In fact, it is a cost-cutting exercise.

I was wondering if it was only happening here, or if this is a country-wide thing. Also, any of you in Devon may want to join the FB protest pages; if it happens to your local unit, we'll join your protest in return!

Maternity Services downgraded to birthing unit article

FB page

Birthing Unit being shut down FB page

Thank you all. I am interested in your views on this.

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maxpower · 24/03/2010 22:00

the unpleasant fact is that cuts are being made to NHS budgets (no matter what the politicians tell us) so sadly, it doesn't come as a surprise to me. I'm in SE London and they're downgrading one of our local maternity services from full on consultant led to midwife led. (Personally I like the idea of the midwife led unit but it's still about reducing accessibility of full maternity services thereby saving money on consultant/dr salaries)

Fibilou · 24/03/2010 22:52

Maternity services everywhere are going totally down the toilet - our trust has just announced the suspension of the homebirth service.

Things are bad for maternity care at the moment

whittingtonmum · 25/03/2010 12:21

Hi Jux,

they seem to be trying it everywhere I am afraid.

Here's a thread on the hospital where I am planning to have my baby

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/921839-Closure-of-maternity-services-at-Whittington-Hospital-North-Lon don

I don't know about your case but what I have found with my hospital is that they do not tell us how exactly they will save the money and how much.

Fact is babies will still need to be born and the state will have to provide for this somehow - deficit or not. What worries me is that the plans and decision making structures are not transparent. So we might end up with some re-structuring of services which in the end will make it worse for us and hardly save any money.

I'm blogging against the closure of my local hospital
whittingtonmum.wordpress.com/

TwentiethCenturyHeffa · 25/03/2010 12:34

This is happening in Okehampton as well. The unit is becoming part of the RD&E and all post-natal facilities will cease. Apparently this means that women who have C-sections in Exeter will have to be sent home after 48 hours, and women giving birth in Okehampton have to leave after 2 hours . My midwife was telling me that it's being done so that everyone will have equal resources rather than some people being able to benefit from better resources out here.

Out here we're writing letters to people to try and gain support but I'm not sure it's going to help

whittingtonmum · 25/03/2010 13:05

Well I don't know the situation in Okehampton but I live in Haringey, which is already one of the most deprived boroughs of the whole country.

we have huge health inequalities and a high infant mortality rate. There is no hospital in our borough and the one which is nearest (the Whittington) is now under threat of closure.

These plans are not about sharing resources equally where I live. They will just make the health inequalities in my area worse

TwentiethCenturyHeffa · 25/03/2010 13:29

Whittingtonmum - Okehampton's just a standard rural market town really. I can't understand the argument for sharing resources equally and I'm sure this isn't the main reason for making changes. It is true that the care and facilities at the maternity unit are generally much better than they are at the big hospital in Exeter but it seems daft to just take that away from everyone as a result. It effectively takes away decent post-natal care from any woman in Devon who doesn't live near one of the big towns.

It's all very sad really

Good luck with the cause in Whittington, it sounds like you're working very hard (from your blog).

Jux · 25/03/2010 16:00

TwentiethCenturyHeffa, as you can see, there are a couple of FB pages protesting against it. The authors are now asking people to go to the EDDC meeting at Knowle where it is being dicussed, on 29th.

A lot of cross signaturing has gone on between St Mary's and Honiton, too. If everybody whose services are potentially being moved to RD&E goes to the meeting it'll scare them silly.

I know when we were protesting against Tesco there were two coaches' worth of people and we won.

Perhaps there's someone in Okehampton who could do a facebook page for your services too.

I think it's almost possible that if enough people turn up on 29th it might make a difference [foolish smile]

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heather1980 · 25/03/2010 16:16

Maternity services across the whole of greater manchester are being rejigged too. our local hospital is losing the consultant let unit to become a mlu, the scbu is closing as are all paedicatric services. it will be an 8 mile trip taking 18 minutes to transfer between the mlu and the nearest consultant unit in an emergency.
trafford, rochdale and salford are also losing maternity services. it's disgusting

TwentiethCenturyHeffa · 25/03/2010 17:37

Jux - everyone involved out here is a member of the Honiton FB page and I think people are trying to link the three campaigns (Tiverton as well ). I'd love to go to the Knowle thing but will be on holiday sadly. We're contacting the MP out here but might be worth contacting the candidates instead - gives them a nice family friendly cause to get involved with (it's possible that mentioning Mumsnet might help as well I guess).

Jux · 25/03/2010 18:49

A couple of the PPC's have replied to my e-mails. Jonathon Underwood had just joined the FB page. Angela Browning's office wrote saying she had written to the CE of the Trust (but who knows what she said to him? I presume she protested!).

The FB page has a link to lists of candidates for each area. I'll see if I can post it here.

I think they ought to be deluged - MPs tend to talk about 'floods' when they've received 10 letters on a subject from constituents, so it's not that hard to make them think there's something for them to worry about.

Just had a reply from the UKIP guy, Daryl Stanbury. It's quite long; I think it's OK for me to reproduce it here? I'll c&p it in the next post.

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Jux · 25/03/2010 18:50

This is Daryl Stanbury's response to my enquiry about his views on this matter, having directed his attention to the FB page:

On reading the Facebook page you have sent me, I must say that I am fully in support of the movement that has developed to save the Honiton Aftercare Unit.

In my opinion, this comes down to a very simple issue of cost cutting resulting from a centralised healthcare system that looks at the top down, rather than looking at services and the provisions communities need from the bottom - up. The centralisation of public services, whether it be healthcare, maternity, policing etc has had so many detrimental effects on local services, and you will quickly find that local political systems such as the District Council have have little power in preventing such declines in local services like what we are seeing in Honiton. With the way things currently stand in our political system, when decisions to shut local services are made, there is no one to hold accountable except Westminster, who look at costs and services from a centralised national level rather than what local communities actually need.

It is quick clear that there is a demand for such a service in our constituency and without getting too political, there are so many national projects and current schemes that are wasting billions of pounds, but at the same time we at local level are seeing the real affect of cost cutting on the ground.

I think I share the same view as other candidates for the constituency that this service is one that we would all like to see saved and if elected i can say that I would most certainly fight to save the unit by bringing a united front of MP and local government together and holding the local NHS trust to account. Government should focus on cutting waste rather than services across the nation in an effort to balance its books. Once again not to get too political on the issue but i can certainly name a few things to cut that would save far more money and not affect the UK nationally or locally, including saving £45 million a day on the EU (as well as a range of other cost saving plans we have put forward).

From a party point of view, UKIP and I have a range of policies to ensure these type of issues can be avoided. These include:

Making local government far more accountable by devolving power from Westminster and ensuring local government is able to make these decisions based on local needs rather than regional NHS targets.

Introducing locally elected Health Boards where people want them and this will introduce democracy into a overly centralised healthcare system that needs so much more accountability in the decisions it makes or at least explain to the local populace why decisions are being made to allow for full public consultation.

Scrap all plans for continued aspirations of regional government in the South west that will cause another layer of top down government and cause a further lack of accountability for policy makers who should ALWAYS be answerable to the local people these decisions will affect.

I apologise if this answer is long winded and a bit too political, however I wanted to be up front and honest wit you in terms f what I as a candidate can offer to try and save this vital service. All parties standing in this election will pledge to save the unit but how they plan to do this will be very difficult to formulate as most will continue to preserve centralised public services.

I hope my response is adequate. For this unit to be saved and continue providing a fantastic service to new parents, our new MP needs to really take the fight to those who are accountable for this decision and also campaign to have local communities to take power over these issues for themselves.

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MissHairspray · 25/03/2010 19:13

This happened in North Tyneside/Northumberland/Newcastle a few years ago. On the flip side the MLUs have very good reputations and you get a level of postnatal care you wouldn't get at an OLU, on the other hand so many people either can't or won't use them so the main hospitals with the OLUs are very busy (6000 births per year instead of 600 at my local MLU). It isn't too bad for me as I would only have a 10 min transfer in an ambulance from one to the other in an emergency, but someone who is at one of the MLUs in rural Northumberland would probably have 30 mins or so. I wish we had the option of an MLU on the same site as an OLU but none of the hospitals in the area have both.

TwentiethCenturyHeffa · 26/03/2010 08:48

Jux - sounds good. Annoyingly I'm off on holiday today for a week but have lots of letters to write when I get home. I'm due DC2 in May (at the RD&E) so feel quite close to this at the moment!

whittingtonmum · 26/03/2010 10:24

Hi all,

Thanks for all the posts. It is certainly good to get MPs and parliamentary candidates involved.

Unfortuantely everyone is very prone to using these very popular causes to try and get elected as you can see from the answer Jux posted by which I believe is a UKIP candidate. Rest assured here in Haringey ALL local candidates and MPs say they want to save our Whittington Hospital.

And then you look what the people higher up in their parties say and it is often a lot more vague.

Me and my local residents association think this isn't good enough. If the party leaders don't agree to saving the maternity services before the election the political parties can't be very serious about saving them after the election.

We have devised a letter writing action
whittingtonmum.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/write-to-save-the-whittington/

I would be really interested to hear how other people campaign to save their maternity services.

Maybe we can all help each other even if we are in different parts of the country.

Has anyone got the NCT involved?

NewbieDad2010 · 30/08/2010 12:54

Salford Royal Maternity Unit is under threat and we need your support.
Please help stop another maternity unit from closure.

please sign the online petition and join the facebook group

www.keephopematernityopen.com

There's a rally on 4th sept 2010 at Buile Hill Park.

Thank you

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