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Ok brace yourselves for TMI ladies - I've just been advised that immediately after my C/S to...

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Lotster · 25/11/2008 20:52

...Stick my finger in my vagina, or my husband's (finger, not vagina) if I can't reach, and stick it in the newborn's mouth before anything else does (nipple, anyone else's finger etc).

The guy who recommended this runs a local health shop and has studied Nutritional Medicine for decades, I usually go to him before the chemist/doctor and he's never let me down so far! He pretty much cured me of insomnia, gastric reflux, helped with depression, lots of things and I really trust him but am wondering if I will look like a complete nut doing this?!!

Through trying to keep an enlightened expression to mask my I heard him saying something about innoculating the baby with the right bacteria, which usually happens naturally in the birth canal, but not with cesaereans, and the result of getting the wrong bacteria first could result in the baby having an flammatory immune system as opposed to an inflammatory one... if I heard right.

Sooooo, would you do this? Have you heard of anyone that has? And what reaction can I expect from the medical staff at being asked to stand back whilst it's done?

TIA

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reluctantincubator · 28/11/2008 22:39

oooh don't get me started on bloody Gillian McKeith. GRRRRR!

Gillyan · 28/11/2008 23:25

Hi

ooh never heard of it but can't see how it would do any harm

May I ask you, How did you get over your insomnia?? I am struggling, was still awake at 5.15 this morning and I should be well tired now as been at work and I'm already panicking that I'm not going to sleep

Lotster · 29/11/2008 15:11

Hi Gillyan, I just had same this conversation with my sister! (Must run in the family)

I had a period of mild depression and anxiety, which resulted in me having both gastric reflux, and insomnia, where I would fret over the hours of sleep I would get, then also wake up in the early hours and not get back to sleep. I was offered councelling and anti-depressants by the doc, but as I felt it was a temporary condition triggered by certain events, stress and therefore me not eating too well, I accepted the councelling but refused the pills and went down the nutritional route. (Unfortunately seen too many friends and family messed up with willy nilly prescribed antidepressants.)

For the sleep, I tried some simple things like lavender oil on my pillow, taking valerian which is known for its relaxing and calming properties. It can reduce anxiety and encourage sleep without the unpleasant side effects associated with a lot of insomnia medication. Smells like hops though and I found it's better taken for a while as opposed to a quick fix and I'm quite impatient.

My "man" already mentioned, recommended I take magnesium citrate. Apparently a deficiency in magnesium is known to be linked to insomnia, (and also depression for that matter) the western diet is low in magnesium and even if the levels aren't that low, if your calcium levels are higher it works out the same - all about balance, but I won't waffle unless you really need to know more background!

He said that while we sleep a process called the "magnesium exchange" happens, and if you are deficient it can stop and result in you waking - put very, very simply for my benefit I'm sure.

If you don't want to take anything you're not sure of, the best food sources of magnesium are chocolate, nuts, seeds, and deep, dark, leafy greens. If you regularly consume these foods you may not need extra magnesium.

If you decide to take magnesium citrate like I did, (I'm not qualified in any way so ask a health professional for dosage relating to you and any other issues, conditions and medications you have), if taken in the correct dose and early enough in the day magnesium often corrects insomnia. Taking magnesium late in the day is not a problem if it does not adversely affect your sleep.

(An extract about it: Magnesium in the form of magnesium citrate is the most easily absorbed form for the body. Magnesium can also improve moods, relieve insomnia, asthma and migraines and help pre-menstrual problems. It is used by the medical profession to counteract irregular heart beats (arrhythmia).

If you suffer from frequent diarrhoea, take the contraceptive pill, are under a lot of stress or take a lot of strenuous exercise, you are likely to be deficient in this important mineral.)

I found if I took the full dose it actually gave me the runs so he advised me to halve it. Along with a high quality fish oil (I'll put link to all this stuff at the bottom) It really sorted me out quite quickly and whenever I'm feeling low and stressed I return to taking fish oil which helps me loads. (The brain is mostly fat and out of that fat almost 60% is omega 3 fats. Omega 3 is linked to helping depression, brain function and stress).
I haven't had to go back to the magnesium as I started taking a really good multivitamin and a better diet since then.

I only use the best quality, and most recommended brands which can cost a pretty penny, but they are worth it IMO, (plus once you've read the brand websites about the products there's loads of places online to buy the same brand but cheaper!)

Magnesium citrate:
Solgar-explanation
Actual tablets

Omega 3 Fish Oil
Higher Nature
(taken from the body of the fish, not just the liver like cod liver oils, containing more DHA, and I take throughout pregnancy too)

An interesting article on how different fats we eat affect our brain (ADD related stuff in there too which some may find interesting):
here

BIIIIIIIIG Waffle, but I spose it's my thread to hijack

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edam · 29/11/2008 15:35

hahahahahahaha

I know many men are driven to talk complete bollocks but this has to be one of the most hilarious examples ever.

jellybeans · 29/11/2008 15:57

This thread made me laugh so much !!!!

Gillyan · 29/11/2008 18:42

lotser Thank you so much for all that info - I was put on sleeping pills for a while but got off them quick as docs said they wouldn't give me any more anyway.

I think I'll go to good health shop we have here and ask about magnesium supplement and I'll get some lavander oil defo!

thanks so much I will have a look at those links too.

I suffered from depression a few years ago for years and was on anti - depresants and I'm quite confident that I'd know if I was depressed again - I think it's probably more stressing than anything - although I spent most of last week in tears but I tyhink that was just hormones as I'm PG again.

Anyhow, thanks again and good luck with the finger in vagina thing!! He he, it does make sense but I see how you're wondering what the staff would think - however sod them you'll never see them again!

Lotster · 29/11/2008 19:15

No problem, good luck.

Pregnancy is a hard time for it IME (especially with a two year old), have had a few bad weeks recently, hence I'm back on the fish oil, I really feel the difference.
Used to get a fear when I was down it would start the slide back in to it, but now I put in perspective that if there's a reason, (PG, stress, problems etc) then low mood is appropriate as it would be for anyone. Helps to get back on my feet quicker.

I think the likelihood of me administering "the finger" are ebbing away
However no-one will know if my nips are carrying a secret weapon or not... hee hee.

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VeryKeenForABean · 29/11/2008 20:33

Is "flammatory" a real word? Is there an opposite to "inflammatory"?!!!!

Lotster · 30/11/2008 14:24

Well apparently Rhematoid Arthritis is a "flammatory" disease, where the body attacks itself.

Since reading up to work out what he was on about, I think he's referring to the body's immune response system.

Still 'ed me though!

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LoveBeingAMummy · 30/11/2008 19:15

Can you imagine this on the birth video!!!

edam · 30/11/2008 22:27

I think your friend the health food shop owner is a wonderful example of a little learning being a dangerous thing.

Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune disease that causes chronic inflammation of the joints and sometimes tissues around them. Autoimmune diseases are illnesses where the body's immune system mistakenly attacks its own tissue.

His new word 'flammatory' is not in my English dictionary (Chambers), my medical dictionary or my copy of the BNF. A quick google shows it does crop up on the internet, mainly when people have been writing in another language translated into English or where people who are not doctors clearly don't have a very good grasp of language.

Lotster · 30/11/2008 22:41

Hi Edam, was just coming back to clear up my error - about flammatory and inflamatory being the same thing, or just inflammatory being a real word...
Been talking to my medical sis.

Just to clear up, I can't be sure he actually said this at all, I was quite at the time and trying to absorb the info whilst keeping poker faced!
So before it goes off on too much of a tangent making him look silly, I'm pretty sure I just reported it wrongly, and what he was saying was that by populating a baby's system with the right stuff it might reduce the tendency towards inflammatory problems. I think!

I'm sure evolution has finely tuned our natural birth method for a reason, so the bacteria we are exposed to in a normal birth is right for us, as is breast milk a perfectly balanced and appropriate meal etc. But I don't have the knowledge or time to find out or properly understand why this would or wouldn't be a good idea so I'm keeping my finger to myself.

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emma1977 · 30/11/2008 22:42

RA is an inflammatory arthritis.

Flammatory is not a word nor a medical concept.

inzidoodle · 30/11/2008 22:57

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Lotster · 30/11/2008 22:59

Emma think we cross posted - I know now!

Sorry Inzidoodle, hope you didn't burn yourself!

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TooMuchMakkaPakka · 01/12/2008 13:41

This is the funniest thread I have ever read. I have never had a CS (thank God) so can't make any comments on whether this is possible, but just thinking about it has made me laugh.
My DS terrible immune system- but natural (in a kind of induced rather quickly way) birth.

amess · 01/12/2008 13:45

"walk away from the silly man"? I'd say RUN!

I can see why he could be saying it but mother nature and life-saving CS should be sufficient plus as someone else said there will be a catherter (sp?!) there so you wont be able to which shows how much he knows!

Thanks for sharing it with us though!

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