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Share experiences and get support around labour, birth and recovery.

Experiences of Pethidine

136 replies

Sam29 · 09/02/2003 16:38

Hi, am due in 3 and a half weeks and have my fingers crossed for a water birth using gas and air to see me through.
However, need to have a Plan B just in case something hiccups and I can't have a water birth. Do not want to be bed bound so epidural not an option so am thinking of pethidine if I end up having to be on dry land! I know it can make the baby sleepy which concerns me as I want to get baby to breast asap but has anyone had any good / bad experiences of pethidine or tips on having it and having a relatively awake baby!

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bundle · 18/02/2003 14:52

I remained mobile with my epidural, which I'm sure makes an enormous difference. I only had a catheter put in once the decision had been taken to go for an emergency c-section too, as before then I could wee myself

Croppy · 18/02/2003 14:55

Ah but Forest, have you forgotten that women who give birth without pain relief (just like those who go in for extended breastfeeding) are inevitable branded smug/superior/nuts?.

As Mears has so clearly stated, there are valid reasons why epidurals aren't given when asked for and I personally would be surprised if the vast majority of women who didn't have one weren't pleased with that outcome.

bossykate · 18/02/2003 15:11

someone actually said earlier on this thread that they felt smug for not having had an epidural, so they are not being "branded" as such by others, but actually describing their own feelings on the matter. i appreciate that not everyone might feel the same way.

Croppy · 18/02/2003 15:24

The only reference I can find is Susanmt who clearly commented this was because of previous lumbar puncture problems. Why does it bother you Bossykate?. I know loads of people who are joyfully smug about their C-Sections done purely by choice in swish private hospitals with no complications and little pain. That's their choice and surely all that matters is that they are pleased with their outcome?

forest · 18/02/2003 15:25

I know someone said they felt smug and they then had to defend themselves which I thought was unfair.
Yes, I see what you mean croppy!

bells2 · 18/02/2003 15:26

Crumbs. I really only commented in the first place because of the stick midwives were getting over denying/postponing epidurals.

bossykate · 18/02/2003 15:32

presumably for the same reasons you feel unhappy that people appear to be making overt or implied comments on your decision to avoid pain relief or to pursue extended breastfeeding... surely it goes both ways?

bossykate · 18/02/2003 15:36

i don't want to start a fight - i just don't want to feel people are looking down on or criticising my choices - the same as you presumably.

Croppy · 18/02/2003 15:37

Don't understand. This seemed to kick off when somebody simply commented that they were absolutely delighted at the outcome of their birth having not had an epidural. How does that translate into implied criticism of anyone else's choices?

yours confused

bossykate · 18/02/2003 15:48

croppy, no! it's me who is confused! you said

"Ah but Forest, have you forgotten that women who give birth without pain relief (just like those who go in for extended breastfeeding) are inevitable branded smug/superior/nuts?."

i merely pointed out that, imo, the only person who has mentioned the word "smug" on this thread has been describing their own feelings about not having had an epidural.

you then asked me why that comment upset me, well, it's because to me you can't use a word like "smug" in that context without appearing to look down on someone who has had an epidural. that upsets me in the same way you, presumably, don't like being "branded...nuts" for, say, extended breastfeeding.

hope that clears it up.

forest · 18/02/2003 15:50

Damn, just lost a message I wanted to post.
Can't remember it fully but I agree with Croppy that I am confused. I can't remember anyone criticising anyones choice to have pain relief. In fact this thread was about peoples experiences of it and I have found it to be fascinating.
BTW I am probably stirring things but why be defensive about your own decisions? If you do something you want that is always the right choice if someone forces you then that is a different matter.

Croppy · 18/02/2003 15:52

I was referring to Jodiesmum's message at 12.30 which I thought was uncalled for and directly called the previous poster smug.

My comments on natural childbirth/ breastfeeding were supposed to be tongue in cheek - really must learn to do those smiley things.

bundle · 18/02/2003 15:52

I did extended breastfeeding AND had an epidural and c/section

bossykate · 18/02/2003 16:03

oh, i see... yes, the smileys do help although i sometimes feel as though i am pastiche-ing the style of bridget jones's diary when i use them...

bossykate · 18/02/2003 16:05

and yes the epi thing is one of my unresolved "issues" with my labour with ds... i offer that comment as an olive branch!

Lil · 18/02/2003 16:37

Well would I be justified if I was smug after finishing the whole of the London Marathon?...yes of course, I'm sure cheerful mumsnetters would be really supportive about that....Well that's how I felt about managing both labours without Epi's or C's because that's what is was like for me!!!!

bossykate · 18/02/2003 17:51

i'm wondering if this is really an argument about semantics, as i'm surprised that people are willing to admit to being smug about anything, let alone a sensitive subject like this.

here is the definition of "smug" from chambers (that's a dictionary):

smug adj (smugger, smuggest) arrogantly self-complacent or self-satisfied. smugly adverb. smugness noun.
ETYMOLOGY: 16c: from German dialect smuck neat.

now, if people want to say they are "happy", "relieved" or even "proud" of themselves, good luck to them! but do people really want to say "i am arrogantly self-complacent about the fact i had so and so kind of birth"? i think not. anyone who really did want to say that would perhaps not be surprised they got a bit of a reaction.

anyway, i've more than said my piece on this, so i'll bow out of this now.

aloha · 18/02/2003 19:41

I think what was so great for me having a c-s was that I knew for months and months and months that this was how he was going to be born (I remember the midwife saying 'Aren't you going to cry?', when she said I would need a cs. I was really surprised by that). Frankly, I loathe surprises, hate struggling, & would regard entering the London Marathon/bunjee jumping/mountain climbing and even running for a bus as the very height of lunacy, so it was perfect for me. When I was diagnosed with PP, a friend said, 'You mean, there's a disorder that means you can't take exercise, have to sit about and have a c-s? Did they invent it for you?' . This means I had plenty of time to think about it, was completely happy about it and ended up believing I had the very creme de la creme of births and would find it hard to consider anything else. My experience of trying to sleep on labour wards listening to the primal screams of women in labour just convinced me that I was going down the right route for me. I would be smug if it was appropriate, but I guess it's not. Pleased, though. I have, however, tried not to proselytise to pregnant friends, even ones who wanted a c-s and specifically asked if I recommended one. I have always said to them that it was right for me, I liked it, I recovered very quickly but it might not be right for them for various reasons and they might not be so lucky in their experience. I suppose what I am trying to say is that what was right for me, clearly isn't everyone's choice. I just wish that courtesy was more commonly expressed the other way round. Sorry if that sounds confrontational, but natural childbirth really, truly isn't always a good thing for other people. And saying it is (honestly, nobody accused here) can make other people feel that the most wonderful, peak experience of their lives - creating and producing their fabulous baby - was somehow a second rate, inferior, even worthless experience. This is depressing. It is like, I imagine, crossing the line after running the whole of the London Marathon, and having people standing there saying, 'That was rubbish because you had training shoes. That's just taking the easy way out. You should have run it barefoot." Or, "You were really slow and had to stop for a stitch and drink water. I did it without and was twice as fast.' I truly and honestly think that other people's attitudes are one of the reasons why women who have unplanned cs etc etc sometimes feel depressed about it. It is undermining to hear only good things about natural birth and only bad things about cs or epidurals. I remember giggling at a R4 debate about birth with a natural birth enthusiast going on about relaxing to conquer pain, and an obstetrician saying that 'actually, some women find an epidural rather relaxing'. I also remember a woman with fragile, small for date twins sobbing and sobbing and getting so angry when she was recommended to have a cs for their safety. I did wonder if she had forgotten that birth is just a process by which we get to hold our babies, not an end in itself. When I was told a cs was the only safe way to get my ds out, I thought, 'great'. Oddly enough, I didn't go into my pregnancy planning a cs at all, but when it came to my baby's safety, I didn't think twice.

bossykate · 18/02/2003 20:02

i'm not very good at staying out of things, am i?

agree with your post, aloha, especially your extension of the marathon metaphor...

bells2 · 19/02/2003 07:25

But BK, I simply made a comment that I was "absolutely delighted" with the fact that the midwife denied me an epidural and was immediately accused of being "smug" and "superior"!. This is what seemed to kick off yesterday's debate. I would never describe myself as smug over the way my births went, simply that I was pleased with the outcome for me given I was lucky to have simple and quick deliveries.

ks · 19/02/2003 08:17

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bells2 · 19/02/2003 08:20

My NCT teacher was completely neutral about epidurals etc. I guess that may be partially why I went into labour having made the decision that I would have one.

SoupDragon · 19/02/2003 08:43

I'm proud that I managed to deliver DS1 (10lbs 1oz) with only gas and air but that doesn't stop me regretting sending the anaethetist away 5 hours before the end because I was told "you're nearly there". I'm not-so-proud that it required a ventouse delivery, third degree tear and a lot of repair work in theatre but hey, it worked!

Actually, now I think back, I suspect there's nothing much to be proud of since all I did was cower at the foot of the bed wimpering. If I was to do that same birth all over again I'd insist on an epidural as soon as I arrived.

KS, I recognise that "kill me now" feeling and also the complete shock I got when the lovely breathing/positions etc I'd learnt at NCT classes were utterly useless (for me).

Marina · 19/02/2003 09:25

Our NCT teacher was also completely neutral about epidurals (although she tipped us off about which local hospitals could not offer mobile ones), but she was quite concerned about the effects of pethidine if administered too close to birth. She managed to combine a personal enthusiasm for active birth with a genuine concern to ensure that we all went into our labours fully informed about all pain relief and interventions. Two of us ended up with electives and she was consistently positive about the life-saving nature of the operation in our cases.
If I make it to a term delivery this time I may not even have the option of using pethidine, it's been phased out at our hospital. A similar drug which has less tendency to cross the placenta is being offered instead, and can I remember what the name is?

Lil · 19/02/2003 09:58

Am surprised at your hospital phasing out epidurals. Have there been any examples of long term problems for babies, whose mothers have used it? I had it only 2 hrs before the end, and had a sleepy baby for 24 hrs - isn't that a plus??