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Harriet loves Homerton - well, most bits anyway

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HarrietTheSpy · 30/05/2008 20:16

DD just arrived 4 weeks early after waters breaking last Thurs. Some very scary times and fraught moments, but I wanted to share some bits of my experience for what it's worth. Might be of interest to locals going there, VBACers, and early deliveries...

Homerton was fab fab fab. At no time was I under any pressure to head straight for a c-section. They explained the 'normal' policy (48 hours) but were more than willing to stand back, observe, and take a balanced view. At all times the consultants supported my decision to continue to try for a VBAC. Obviously this was based on the baby being okay, but in line with NICE guidelines we were going to 96 hrs before planned c section.

Mon am arrived and I went into labour!!! Twenty minutes before the section with me in agony and about to bottle it, the consultant examined me and said: "Harriet you can do this." No section, DD arrived 12 hours later! 6 lbs, we're not sleeping, but otherwise a major relief.

A couple of asides:Mobile epidural was a revelation - I could feel when the contractions were coming, but much preferable as I could stay really involved in the labour but felt really in control. Classic comment from my independent midwife later: "How did you bruise your knees so badly?" Hmm...did you notice I was kneeling and rocking for about 9 hrs? At the end after all the top ups it did poss have an impact on my pushing, but it's hard to say whether it was that or the total exhaustion. Still had CRACKING BACK PAIN and the baby wasn't even OP this time - and also v titchy .

Love affair with Hom ends with the aftercare. I think aspects have actually gotten worse since 2004 when I was tehre for DD1. After such a high from the delivery, the post natal ward was such a downer. So disappointing. Baby on antibiotics, that jaunidice rug they sleep on, so uncomfortable, plus I'm stressed about feeding. I'm walking DD around at 4.30 after hours of screaming and the midwives decide to inform me of their health and safety policy, that it's not allowed for mothers to walk around with their babies. Got loads of paperwork wrong (including baby's WEIGHT !!!!!!! which was going to be a critical factor in when we could actually leave the hospital) or it went missing. Abusive midwives in some cases. No loo roll which is great when you have a 2nd degree tear and are forced to use a handwipe. They are trying hard with the breast feeding - there was a counsellor about and more women seemed to be feeding. But very strange and conflicting advice, and they're really into riding your case as to how you're getting on with it all, which is a bit intimidating. If you do want formula (I gave DD some from a cup), be ready for someone to have gone home with the key to the cupboard as well. Hosp cleaner, though, but down for some bizarre reason to 1 private room and the ward has moved downstairs. So there I am in my pjs with painful bits elevatoring it up to the second floor SCBU for check ups.

Anyway, that's enough. Sorry it's so long but had to spill.x

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motherinferior · 30/05/2008 20:22

Oh sweetie, glad it's, er, done!

NutterlyUts · 30/05/2008 20:25

Name?!!?!

Congratulations

HarrietTheSpy · 31/05/2008 00:25

Thanks ladies
Verity

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1dilemma · 31/05/2008 00:32

Congratulations

very useful info there for others planning a Homerton birth..

Bit at the no loo roll

when I had mine some memorable missing things were

No Teabags!!

No plug in any bathroom not one in delivery room or postnatal

(could have coped with that if it wasn't for the fact that everyone kept going on about having a lovely bath!)

Becky77 · 31/05/2008 09:36

Thanks for the info... Im due to give birth at the Homerton in the next few weeks (EDD 7th June) so it's good to hear such positive things about the labour ward

HarrietTheSpy · 01/06/2008 00:13

The latest is that I finally got a call from the midwife at my local hospital (Homerton is technically out of my area) and the conversation went like this:

"This is so and so from Whipps Cross. Has a midwife been to see you yet?"
"No, not yet."
"Well, Homerton have sent us the paperwork, but there's nothing we can do about it except resend it to them. Then they have to send it back to Redbridge COUNCIL. Then someone will come see you."

Of no concern to them at all was the fact that my baby was born a month early and with this to-ing and fro-ing it could yet be a few more days before someone turns up.

Not sure who is at fault here - the hospital or the idiots who received the paperwork and decided to make things even more bureaucratic. Last time, someone came immediately, Homerton had no issue with organising it.

Am I the only person thinking this is Sh**?!

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MarsLady · 01/06/2008 02:55

That's how I feel about the Homerton as well. It is one of my favourite hospitals to work in but the pn care is crap (much like all the other London hospitals).

MarsLady · 01/06/2008 02:57

Sorry posted before I said: Congratulations!

HarrietTheSpy · 01/06/2008 10:19

MarsLady
What's your view on how they're doing with the breastfeeding pusch?

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MarsLady · 01/06/2008 12:28

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking re:breastfeeding.

Has anyone showed you how to express? Do you know yet what weight your baby actually is? And how often are you with the baby? You should be doing kangaroo care. She should be attached to your skin and you should be putting her to the breast often and you should be expressing much more than they've probably suggested. Hand expressing into a syringe is the best way, esp for the first few days because colostrum is very precious and you tend to get lovely drops of it rather than the copious amounts of formula that they seem to want to pour into new babies. Good that they gave you a cup though.

Becky77 · 01/06/2008 13:40

Oh my God I so have pregnancy brain... I am not infact due to give birth at the Homerton!! We're at the Whittington!

MarsLady · 01/06/2008 13:42

Becky... I also attend births at the Whit and 4 of my 5 were born there. It's a lovely hospital. They have NHS homeopathy and acupunture there. It's another of my faves!

You'll be fine.

Becky77 · 01/06/2008 13:50

Thanks Marslady... I'm having prep for labour acupunture on Thursday am... So hoping that gets things moving

MarsLady · 01/06/2008 13:52

What's your EDD?

HarrietTheSpy · 01/06/2008 15:42

Mars lady
The baby is home with me and breast feeding normally. I'm feeding often, but not expressing or doing anything extra like that. We seem to have sorted her latch out by getting her to feed immediately after delivery. Kangaroo care wasn't suggested to us, but I'm wondering even if she's home with us as normal, it's worth doing that.

What I meant at Homerton was the way they are approaching getting women to breast feed and how they deal with problems. I was in a state waiting for my milk to come in and they were saying to express and top her up. But the issue I was having was that if I had enough milk to do that, since her latch is great, I would just be feeding her! They were constantly coming around: how's it going, how's it going but it didn't feel supportive, it felt a bit intimidating and I dreading hearing the footsteps come round to my cubicle.

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MarsLady · 01/06/2008 15:48

Sadly that's how a lot of mws seem to approach bfing.

Kangaroo care is lots and lots of skin to skin. Well done for getting her on the breast and I hope it's all still going well. Premmies thrive on being close to their mother's skin (as do all the others). Well done you

Becky77 · 01/06/2008 18:56

@ MarsLady - It's 7th June

MarsLady · 01/06/2008 20:02

Then leave yourself be honey. It can still be another 3 weeks. I'm sure it won't but leave your baby let your baby come when it's ready. Easier said than done I know!

Aubergenie · 01/06/2008 20:34

Congratulations Harriet and thanks for posting this. I'm hoping to have my baby at Homerton in September and it's really reassuring to know that it's a good choice. Sorry to hear the aftercare wasn't great. From what I gather that seems to be the norm in many London hospitals. I'm glad you and your daughter are home safe and well.

HarrietTheSpy · 01/06/2008 22:48

Aubergenie
DH said there is only one private room because of a refurb. Do whatever you can, if you are on the DeFoe ward, to get yourself that room - you will want the privacy. Apart from that, there are two great cafes down the road from the hospital, I think on Chatsford (Chatsworth?) Road-L'Epicerie and Venezias - DH went and got take outs for me there.

One thing they were better about this time than in 2004 is getting my paperwork together in very efficiently for us to leave promptly on the day. We didn't have any waiting around at all for that, it was just test results, once they came back we were gone within the hour.

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MarsLady · 01/06/2008 23:27

good to know about the eateries. The best thing about Chelsea & Westminster is Carluccios!

mayx3 · 02/06/2008 16:14

Isn't it funny how different experiences at the same hospital can be! I had my baby at the Homerton on the 21st May. Didn't much enjoy the labour experience, weren't very helpful to me til I threw up all over the reception area of the delivery suite (I did tell them I was going to be sick!). Hubby and I then got left to get on with it for long time before anyone saw us. Midwives not that helpful, though I was out of it on pethidine so not that aware. Later on, sudden concern for baby's heartbeat meant rush of people and hurtling to theatre for an emergency cs. No faulting the care there, but again I was completely unaware of what was going on.

However I thought the post natal care was fantastic on the whole - I guess I got lucky with two brilliant midwives. I was in for a total of 6 days. My baby was in special care and I kept crying on them, but they were very good and took me up to see him in a wheelchair. Only downside was the number of staff who'd come in and say 'where's your baby?' possibly not the most tactless thing to say to someone on a post natal ward without a baby! Special care staff were mixed with one day nurses worrying us that the baby wasn't feeding enough and the next telling my husband off for feeding too much. Also felt under pressure to formula feed there so they could monitor it. Although some nurses were more supportive and helped me with the baby. Who was fine on the whole, but needed a course of antibiotics, I think they were just more used to premature babies and not used to dealing with a 9lb 6oz whopper!

So much depends on the staff on the day - though I agree the not walking round with your baby is ridiculous. I was dreading spending time in hospital and hoped to be home 6 hours after the birth, but 6 days actually wasn't that bad!

Also took us forever to be discharged waiting to see a dr til 2pm and then another 3 hours before paperwork produced...

MarsLady · 02/06/2008 16:18

That's rather ridiculous to want to put formula into such a large baby. That's one of the downsides of special care. Why was he there?

I've had bad experiences in most of the hospitals that I've been in but lots of good ones as well and I still think that the Homerton is one of the better ones. It really does come down to the midwife that you get.

mayx3 · 02/06/2008 16:24

Just a few more comments, shame we didn't know about cafes near Homerton! Really struggled with food and poor hubby had to keep trekking around to find things. Also I was on antibiotics and kept bringing things up so not much fun. Breast feeding support, I feel I missed out, I had the baby with me briefly on day 1 and he wouldn't latch on, but midwife was very helpful and helped me express some into a syringe for me. Then the first night in SCBU (he was readmitted as they were worried he was lethargic) the nurse on duty was fantastic and spent ages helping me. But after that most were more keen on monitoring him and getting formula down him, although there were the odd exceptions and I was encouraged to express milk. I think the breastfeeding advisor in SCBU was on holiday. I had my baby back with me on the ward the last two nights and the midwives were reasonably helpful so we managed to go from predominantly formula to mainly breast which was great.

Interesting about the waiting post waters breaking as my waters also broke early and I was due to be induced the next day (my choice as already 11 days late). However paediatricians later raised the 24hrs post waters breaking as the possible cause of my babies (and my) infection, although I would have thought I'd be pretty unlucky if that was the case.

Sorry for such long posts - seems I also have things to get off my chest!

mayx3 · 02/06/2008 16:46

Hi MarsLady - he was in for IV antibiotics as they were concerned about an infection and they kept him on SCBU rather than with me most of the time as he was a bit lethargic and they were worried about him. (He didn't cry when they put the canula in or took blood). Some of the nurses just worked to an amount of milk he should be having per kilo which seemed a bit crazy as presumably his stomach wasn't necessarily bigger than smaller term babies. Fortunately all seems well now and I'm pleased we've managed to completely move to breastfeeding as for a while I wondered if we'd manage...