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8 months PALS complaint still waiting - what next?

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ihatetherosiehospital · 15/09/2024 17:32

Partially but not wholly tongue-in-cheek username

Does anyone have any knowledge or experience of what happens if PALS simply don't respond to a complaint? I've been waiting 8 months, my case manager often ignores my emails for months at a time. I've been told the hospital is under increased pressure - and that's the only reason I've been given. I know I can take my complaint to the Ombudsman, but they require you to have had a response from PALs first....

Background - I gave birth last summer and pretty much every part of my care was dreadful. The midwives on triage didn't believe I was in labour after I came in to be assessed when my waters broke and they spent almost the whole time we were there booking me in for an induction, even as my contractions were increasing. We were sent outside (at 2am) and I had to labour on a bench outside the hospital in the middle of the night while we waited for a lift home. I tried to get back into the building because I was worried and they sent me out again. Once I got home I phoned, had two contractions and threw up while on the phone, and was again told not to come back into the hospital. I then needed to push. By the time we got back to the hospital (an hour away in the car) I was fully dilated and probably had been for some time. I was also in shock and had almost totally disassociated. (I had lost a previous baby in the hospital the summer before and was under mental health care as a result of worries about the labour- a fact no-one seemed to realise because it seemed like almost no-one we interacted with throughout our stay had even glanced at my notes).

After pushing for five hours, I ended up having a forceps delivery which caused a hemorrhage (based on what a physio said about my scar, I think I had tearing on top of the episiotomy). I wasn't told about the hemorrhage at the time, and the cause wasn't recorded, which meant that when I had a Birth Afterthoughts appointment, the midwive got really worried and started telling me I would have to have a consultant led birth if I had another child - I've subsequently been told this isn't true. I've also subsquently found out the hsopital has much higher than average rates of postpartum hemorrhage. I have had a lot of problems in terms of recovery due to pelvic floor damage, with the biggest issue being mobility- it took about 5 months to be able to walk more than a few minutes without really significant discomfort.

And finally we were then left on an appalling postnatal ward for 4 days. My baby wouldn't latch at all at birth, and we waited 6 hours to have an actual midwife (as opposed to student) come to help. She said it was medically urgent to take formula at that point. The Birth Afterthoughts midwife said that was a lie - there was no evidence that was true, and the hospital policy is not to supplement until 24 hours. At this point, our breastfeeding support ended - only one other midwife came to help once in 4 days (but because we had been ticked off as "Reluctant Feeder" they wouldn't discharge us until we were basically begging to be released.)

The whole experience took a real toll physically and mentally, and financially (I ended up spending about £1000 on breast pumps, lactation consultants and private pelvic physio, and am back under the care of Talking Therapies again). I have real concerns about so many aspects of the hospital, to the extent that I don't see how I could have a second baby there. It just doesn't seem safe, and I worry so much about other women going through what I did.

I submitted a complaint at the start of this year, and 8 months later am still waiting for a response. I had an initial meeting after submitting my complaint with a fairly senior member of staff who was very sympathetic. She told me the hospital was on red staffing that night, and that about 30% of staff are very junior (with the implication being a lot of the people we interacted with weren't experienced enough to know what they were doing, which tbh just makes me feel worse)

I'm finding the lack of response really stressful but also don't know how to address it - if anyone has any ideas I'd be really interested.

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RosesAndHellebores · 15/09/2024 17:42

You write a brief covering letter to the Hospotal's CEO, enclosing copies of correspondence to date. You note You await a detailed written response to your concerns, together with an action plan in relation to your ongoing health concerns. You note also that you expect that full response no later than 20 working days from the date of your letter.

You cc the letter to your constituency MP and copy the letter to the MP to the hospital. It should say "I have e waited for eight months to receive a response from the Rosie Hospital and nothing has been forthcoming. Please may I request your assistance.

The letter should be sent registered, signed for delivery so you have e an audit trail.

The copy to the MP should put the wind up them.

I am sorry to read your story and hope you get answers and support moving forwards.

Izzy24 · 15/09/2024 17:44

What a dreadful experience you have had. I’m so sorry.

Could you contact your MP and then forward that email to PALS again and also send to the trust CEO and the HoM?

Izzy24 · 15/09/2024 17:45

@RosesAndHellebores

ditto!

FluffMagnet · 15/09/2024 17:47

That sounds horrid! I have no advice on complaints other than to say I'm sure the ombudsman would listen if you have proof you are being ignored, but I would say if you have a second and want it, the elective CS team at the Rosie are very good.

FluffMagnet · 15/09/2024 17:47

That sounds horrid! I have no advice on complaints other than to say I'm sure the ombudsman would listen if you have proof you are being ignored, but I would say if you have a second and want it, the elective CS team at the Rosie are very good.

RosesAndHellebores · 15/09/2024 17:53

Another thought @ihatetherosiehospital is also to get your local Healthwatch involved. If there are further meetings they may have people who could attend with you and to help advocate on your behalf.

Happytimes83 · 17/09/2024 03:33

I am booked with the Rosie hospital & I'm having such concerns with their capacity im trying to transfer elsewhere, not sure if it’s too late though, but seeing messages like this concerns me. Is this just an issue with all maternity care at all hospitals & a symptom of the grass is greener, will it be better elsewhere even though other hospitals have a worse CQC rating, I just don’t know? I am also trying to get an elective booked but not scheduled yet with various warnings from friends that most people with non medical need electives are just beginning labour first because you basically get pushed to 40 weeks and beyond at the moment and you never get an advance date which seems a contrast to my previous experience there, which made me think the process would be completely straightforward.

ihatetherosiehospital · 14/10/2024 18:25

Happytimes83 · 17/09/2024 03:33

I am booked with the Rosie hospital & I'm having such concerns with their capacity im trying to transfer elsewhere, not sure if it’s too late though, but seeing messages like this concerns me. Is this just an issue with all maternity care at all hospitals & a symptom of the grass is greener, will it be better elsewhere even though other hospitals have a worse CQC rating, I just don’t know? I am also trying to get an elective booked but not scheduled yet with various warnings from friends that most people with non medical need electives are just beginning labour first because you basically get pushed to 40 weeks and beyond at the moment and you never get an advance date which seems a contrast to my previous experience there, which made me think the process would be completely straightforward.

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Sorry, I'm not sure I can give any advice. I know the situation last summer was particularly bad, as one of my NCT friends was also only admitted at 9.5cm, after they'd tried to divert her totwo other hospitals. Their data is so unreliable (both of us were recorded as having one to one care, for example, despite having done most of labour alone) I don't know how anyone makes an informed decision.

For anyone else following this thread - I'm still waiting. Now nearly 9 months. Have written to MP and got the Rosie Maternity Voices group to advocate for me again. Still nothing. No accountability, no acknowledgement....these people can do what they like to pregnant women and nothing matters.

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Rumblytumblytea · 21/11/2024 20:58

Hmmm some of it sounds tough but some of your story sounds like bad luck or just a regular birth story.

I don’t mean to be unsympathetic on purpose but I was expecting to open this post and read a really bad birth story

ihatetherosiehospital · 22/11/2024 14:35

Rumblytumblytea · 21/11/2024 20:58

Hmmm some of it sounds tough but some of your story sounds like bad luck or just a regular birth story.

I don’t mean to be unsympathetic on purpose but I was expecting to open this post and read a really bad birth story

Sorry to disappoint, I'm sure you can find trauma porn elsewhere if that's what you're looking for.

My post was primarily about hospitals refusing to respond to complaints.

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