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Share experiences and get support around labour, birth and recovery.

Please help me decide - not long left!

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tinkxo · 26/09/2023 22:26

Resisted posting for a really long time now but getting to the point I could really use any input, advice and thoughts that I can get. It's long so click away if you don't fancy a read!

I’m 35 weeks into my first pregnancy, midwife led. I have a consultant appointment next week to discuss mode of delivery. I’ve read up on vaginal birth and c section. The potential risks of a vaginal birth really concern me. I feel like I’d rather go through a c section and possibly difficult recovery than risk an instrumental birth, 3rd/4th degree tears and the subsequent potential impact on quality of life (lasting faecal incontinence/significant urinary incontinence I.e more than just ‘can’t jump on a trampoline’), prolapse requiring surgery (have always been fearful of general anaesthetic – had two in the past, found it frightening) etc.

I know the overall risk is ‘low’ – 8-12% of forceps deliveries result in 3rd/4th degree tears (RCOG). But to me that still feels like too high of a risk. I know it might not for everyone. I also keep thinking about 1/3 first timers needing instrumental birth and 1/3 first timers ending up with a section. 1/3 chance of vaginal birth without either of those doesn’t feel like great odds.

In terms of risk factors – my booking BMI was 33, I’m 6’1” and partner is 6’4” so anticipating big baby (although no growth scans and I know fundal height isn’t the strongest predictor), my mum had a 4-hour labour from first pain to delivery and a quick second stage (I know I’m by no means guaranteed precipitous labour because of this but might have some influence(?)), placenta is anterior and they think baby might be back to back (unless she moves of course).
However, there’s no escaping a maternal request c section carries risks of its own. I feel guilty re baby being at higher risk of breathing difficulties at birth. I worry about risk of issues with the placenta in future pregnancies (although seems the risk is overall very low even with a previous section?). We think we only want 2 children max but worry that I’m introducing a factor that might influence whether we can have any more and what if we change our minds? I want to give breast feeding a try and worry I might be causing issues with establishing bf if I have a section.

Obviously this is nowhere near as important as other things but I don’t have great body confidence and can only imagine a c section will make my stomach look horrendous given I’m not that skinny to start with, however if I end up with a 3rd/4th degree tear and incontinence as a result I’d probably lose all sexual confidence and really struggle to get over it (just from knowing my own personality).

DP is hugely supportive of whatever I choose and trusts me to make the right decision for me. Is fully on board with being very hands on with baby if I have a section and I couldn’t ask to feel more supported. However, family cannot understand at all why I’d choose surgery without attempting vaginal birth. DP’s 5’1” auntie says if she can deliver a 9lb baby (albeit with episiotomy) then I’ve got nothing to worry about – I don’t think they realise that although I’m tall with big hips, without an x-ray none of us know the size of my actual pelvis...

I’ve read about physiological birth, spinning babies, birthing positions, staying active and upright in labour, how different pain relief can impact on outcomes, coached pushing vs following body’s urge to push, listening to midwife and panting when told, perineal massage, perineum guarding, positions to help if things like shoulder dystocia happen, etc. Considered birth plan of trial of vaginal birth, to move to c section rather than instrumental birth if needed, however I don’t want to risk baby being too low to convert to c section and being ‘forced’ into instrumental birth due to no other option.

Overall, I think what I want is to choose the ‘second best’ option of elective c section, if best option was spontaneous vaginal birth (hopefully without significant tearing), second best was ELCS, third was EMCS and fourth was instrumental birth possibly with significant tear.

I just don’t know if I’ve been unduly influenced by the recent focus on raising awareness of 3rd/4th degree tears – MASIC Foundation have been good at getting this into the spotlight lately, so have BBC Radio Women’s Hour, I’ve seen recently stories on BBC Breakfast, etc. I’ve tried to balance this by following positive birth story accounts, Better Births, several social media accounts about empowering women and giving them the knowledge they need to help them avoid cascades of intervention etc. But overall, I still feel like there’s so much uncertainty around ‘natural’ birth that no one is going to be able to tell me without a crystal ball that I’m not going to be one of those women.

Is choosing ELCS as crazy as family would have me believe? Will I seriously regret it when going through the recovery period? Do I sound like I’m being balanced? This doesn’t feel like it’s a decision coming from irrational fear but I’m conscious that I wouldn’t think that, would I. Any thoughts/experience gratefully appreciated!

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TheShellBeach · 26/09/2023 22:31

I had four caesareans and I do not recommend them at all.
Extremely painful. It took weeks for me to feel okay.
You haven't mentioned breastfeeding but it's easier to establish when you're not in agony.

TheShellBeach · 26/09/2023 22:34

BTW I was a midwife, and the fetal head is the best pelvimeter, not maternal height.

momtoboys · 26/09/2023 22:39

I had three c sections (5 sons). My recovery wasn't awful, but I find I am a little sad I never experienced natural birth.

MooBugz · 26/09/2023 22:40

I've had two natural births and two csections.

My first natural I had an episiotomy and the second resulted in a 3rd degree tear hence why I went for csection 3rd time round.

4th time I wanted to go natural again because as ugly as 3rd degree year was, my csection recovery and pain was way worse. And I had no issues with Incontinence etc after. The key is to make sure you keep up with pelvic exercises to strengthen the muscle after birth.

Ultimately you need to do what's right for you but personally I would go natural again if it was me. The only reason I ended with csection on my last pregnancy is because I had previously had a mc so the anxiety won in the end and I didn't want to wait past my due date.

With body confidence I would say the effort to. Get back to a normal ish body after a C-section was way harder because the shape changes completely and you really need to work at it. But for others it might not be that way. Everyone's body is different.

Good luck whichever way you decide. Both have their ups and downs but you get past it and like many of we always go back to do it again! X

Blessedbethefruitz · 26/09/2023 22:45

You've done your reading!

I've had an elective cesarean for breech with my first, and a vbac for my second (purely because the agony of healing that first month after elcs severely impacted the first year or so - my pain tolerance is low and regular painkillers do nothing for me usually anyway). After my vbac (precipitous, shoulder dystocia fixed with an inserted hand, deep 2nd degree tear, diamorphine) I told anyone who would listen that I would do the vbac 1000x over before having another cesarean.

I'd say give natural delivery a go. But if it comes to induction or instruments, switch to cesarean maybe as the stats get worse.

MoorlandWanderer · 26/09/2023 22:47

I’m just going to reflect back to you the (very natural, no judgement whatsoever here) anxiety you have around your birth.

You’re very much in your head at this point so I wonder how your body feels when you read your post back, or remember how you felt as you typed it.

As I say, it’s totally natural to feel anxious, I just wanted to bring your attention to the anxiety you’re naturally feeling and be curious about the sensations arising in your body.

You’ll find your answer there.

anonimoxyz · 26/09/2023 22:52

It has to be up to you, but what jumped out for me is you being scared of the lasting effects on your body from a vaginal birth and worrying about effects on your baby from an elective c section. I've had 2 vaginal births and yes, two tears and a prolapse, but I know csec mums who have been left with serious issues like morphine addiction etc too. I don't know what the answer for you is, you're probably the only one who can know. Nothing is risk free but you have tp go with your instincts

mammaba · 26/09/2023 22:52

I had an instrumental birth (forceps) with episiotomy first time round, and some urinary incontinence for about 3 months. (I still have to be careful on a trampoline 3 years on.)

I would say quite openly I had a really traumatic experience.

However, currently pregnant again and have made the decision to go for another vbac. Not sure if that helps or not!

RosieRainbow1986 · 26/09/2023 22:56

I'm always an advocate of ELCS, for various reasons. Fortunately my recovery was so much better than I was expecting. I was very sore for the first few days but it didn't impact on my caring for my baby. And as time went on it just got better and better. I would definitely have an ELCS again, mainly because the whole birth experience was amazing - relaxed, happy and controlled.
Re body confidence...the scar will fade over time. I do feel I have a 'shelf' but haven't yet focused on diet and exercise...I'm hoping when I do, I'll be able to lose some weight and feel a bit better! I do have pain every now and again in my scar, but it's pretty mild and I put it down to still healing.
All the very best with whatever you decide!

TheShellBeach · 26/09/2023 22:57

mammaba · 26/09/2023 22:52

I had an instrumental birth (forceps) with episiotomy first time round, and some urinary incontinence for about 3 months. (I still have to be careful on a trampoline 3 years on.)

I would say quite openly I had a really traumatic experience.

However, currently pregnant again and have made the decision to go for another vbac. Not sure if that helps or not!

Do you mean you're going for another vaginal birth?
VBAC means Vaginal Birth After Caesarean, and you haven't mentioned a previous caesarean.

Alissia · 26/09/2023 22:57

First baby born by cs as breech. Took a while to recover and bf was a struggle as milk slow to come in. Second baby born vaginally with episiotomy. (Midwives are mindful the scar can rupture. Was offered a cs which I refused.) Instantly recovered and bf much easier.
Recently had an endoscopy - warned the cs scar might cause problems (something I hadn’t known).
If I were due to give birth again, I wouldn’t elect a cs.

Peakypolly · 26/09/2023 22:59

Wise words above.
I have no advice but, in my case, I did have forceps and a 4th degree tear but had a quick recovery and successfully breast fed. I was lucky enough to go on to have two more vaginal births. I much preferred not being limited by a recovery from an unnecessary caesarean. I haven't had any incontinence or sexual issues -20 years on and counting!
We will all have different experiences though.
I remember the anxiety at the stage you are now. Do whatever suits you, and don't look back.

EnchantedCastle · 26/09/2023 23:04

I’ve had seven vaginal deliveries, two natural and five induced. I have never torn at all, the worst I had was a slight graze but it was very minor and I wouldn’t have known for myself if not told.
You can get bogged down in statistics, but the truth is that humans have given birth successfully for thousands of years, unmedicalised. I also have never once “pushed”, tbh I wouldn’t know how to! My body expels the baby - you can look this up, it’s very interesting.

TheShellBeach · 26/09/2023 23:06

I have also always been very sad about never having had a normal delivery.

OP you do seem very anxious. I hope this thread will help you to decide what to do. It's unusual for women to have got things down to statistics in quite the way you have.
I would recommend that you aim for a normal delivery, and try to relax a bit more.

morag1234 · 26/09/2023 23:11

I am basing this purely on pain and nothing else.

I would get the C section every time. The pain of trying to give birth was fucking horrendous. I was so pleased when they gave me an emergency c section. My recovery was amazing. I was waking the prom 4 days after giving birth. I healed so quickly. I know that not everyone has such a good experience of having a C section though.

amispeakingintongues · 26/09/2023 23:12

Women have been birthing babies since the dawn of time. Often there are mitigating factors which increase the likelihood of forceps and severe tearing like receiving a cascade of interventions - namely inductions, then epidural.

I would always recommend labouring naturally. The recovery time is so much faster, plus you have the benefits of all the feel good hormones which assist with establishing breastfeeding, support bonding and mental health. I experienced complete euphoria after birth thanks to my natural physiological birth experience- despite having a second degree tear!

You've done some great research but please realise birth has been increasing medicated and controlled. Look up kemibirthjoyjohnson on instagram

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 26/09/2023 23:12

I had a csection. Very quick recovery and wouldn't hesitate to do it again

BakerJ · 26/09/2023 23:30

I have no personal experience of a c-section but wouldn't choose it for myself. Surgery is a pretty scary thing to me. I had very easy spontaneous births with mine and incredibly easy recoveries though. Instrumental birth is never the ideal but overall it is still very low risk and is only ever done to try and ensure mum & babys safety if needed. It might help to think of it in that light - "my body knows what it needs to do and I have medical backup available if I ever need it".

I think an elective section sometimes appeals as it offers a sense of control. Both have their own risks but natural birth can be a bit unpredictable whereas a planned section removes some of that.

Ultimately there is no right answer, only a right for you. This is just one of many big decisions that you'll make as a parent and all any of us can ever do is make the right choice for your own family, with the information that you had at the time.

fpurplea · 26/09/2023 23:41

Honestly I agree with whoever said above that you've kinda got stuck in your head a little bit. Being informed is good, but you're drowning in the "what ifs", when the reality is that statistics mean very little, every single birth is different.

I wanted a natural birth but absolutely would have chosen a section over an instrument delivery, baby had other plans though and I'm so glad it was forceps in the end. I had a second degree tear/cut that has healed perfectly, recovery was very speedy and not much pain at all, and although having to learn how to wee and poo again was a bizarre experience, it's all pretty much back to normal now. (I was an absolute slacker with my pelvic floor exercises!) I cannot imagine even the best c-section recovery being anything like as smooth.

Ultimately, whatever method makes you feel more comfortable is the right choice for you. Just try to shift your focus from the negatives to the positives,

Goingcrazyimsure · 26/09/2023 23:43

This is meant really kindly but you sound like you have got yourself really worked up and anxious about this and perhaps over researched.

Can I put a different spin on it. I have had two (induced) vaginal births of big (10lb) babies and yes, it is more painful than is describable, yes I tore a bit, yes I had piles, yes I was incredibly sore afterwards etc. But I can say hand-on-heart that giving birth vaginally was the most incredible, empowering, life changing experience and I wouldn't change it for the world. The love I now have for my (previously despised) body is intense! It takes you to another place and I felt a deep sense of connection with womankind (and I am no hippy dippy I promise you! 🤣)

I know not everyone feels like this but I think far more do that we realise - it is not the done thing to gush about birth in case you upset or offend others. I usually keep quiet myself unless with certain people!

But I really believe our bodies are (usually - I know there are high risk cases) built to do this and you don't sound like you have any risk factors - if it were me I would have a vaginal birth 😊

Now I have not had a c section and I don't profess to know how it feels and I know many women don't have a choice and it's wonderful that c-sections allow these babies to be born safely. But to me, it is an intervention for when there is an issue and not something to be taken lightly - friends who have had them have had awful recoveries.

Ultimately though - this is you and your baby 🥰

Congratulations and good luck with whatever you choose 🥰 xxx

Whataretheodds · 26/09/2023 23:51

I am in a very similar situation to OP (though still in 2nd trimester).

I know I'll not be allowed to go past 40 weeks: I wonder if you'd advise the same given I'll most likely pre-term.

I'm surprised people are surprised that some of us read!

Cheshiresun · 26/09/2023 23:52

Despite planning how I wanted to give birth, got the complete opposite on the day! Complete waste of time planning for me.

thaisweetchill · 26/09/2023 23:54

I tried to have a natural birth but long story short my son poo'd in me, doctors left it too late so had to have an emergency section.

My recovery was fine, the only issue I had was sitting up in bed, my partner had to lift me up for the first few weeks. You have to make sure you rest and it sounds your DH will help you to do that anyway.

We plan to have another and I will be requesting an elective section. I was offered one at 37 weeks due to the size of my baby (9lb 8oz born) and they were worried he would get stuck in delivery. I was adamant I wanted a natural birth but god had other plans.

Do what you feel is right, I've known a lot of people have sections and the recovery was fine, you just have to take it easy.

Polentacak · 26/09/2023 23:59

if there are no complications I’d probably opt for a natural birth with pain relief for my first time. Definitely go for pain relief, it’s ridiculous that in this day and age women are still encouraged to go through such a horrifically painful experience without it.

However the one thing to consider is the current state of the NHS. You might be putting yourself in the care of overstretched midwives. Can you trust that you are going to get the required level of care and if things go wrong, you will get prioritised and the right staff will be on hand to help? Can you trust that they’ll actually accept you onto the ward in time for pain relief? If not I’d opt for the more controlled c-section.

Also, I wouldn’t under any circumstances give birth in a midwife led unit. My baby almost died because I did this. Make sure there are Doctors on hand, they’re the ones with the expertise you will need should anything go wrong.

HandbagMarinara · 26/09/2023 23:59

My youngest is 13, my c section scar still itches, gets sore and hurts. I have no feeling over the scar and yet it hurts. Tonight is particularly bad which is why I'm awake. All options have the possibility of side affects