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"Support for imminent VBACers" thread?

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pendulum · 05/09/2007 08:42

Hi there,
I am 38 weeks today and planning a VBAC after my el CS for breech.

I haven't spent much time on the ante natal threads because I couldn't keep up with them! But now I am on mat leave and due date is approaching I would love to chat to anyone else hoping for a VBAC in the near future.

Is there anyone else out there, or another thread I can join? (Am just heading to docs to check baby position but will log in again later!)

Thanks
p xx

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selfemployedness · 18/09/2008 20:57

hello, i am 34 weeks and hoping for a vbac at home.

i had an emergency c section 23 months ago after failing to progress. got to 9 cm, they had me pushing anyway (that's not right is it)? and dd didn't come down the birth canal, i have my birth notes from last time and it says baby's head maybe too big for pelvis? my nice midwives have said that they couldn't have possibly known that and they are very into my trying for a vbac at home in pool. am lucky to have got them, i have 2 all to myself so i'm hoping all will go well if it doesn't 5/10 mins to hospital....

i'm sooo scared i do't know what a contraction even feels like cos last time nothing started naturally i had an epidural in b4 they even broke my waters cos i was so fed up of having loads of prostins inserted, i didn't realise the implications of being induced cos i actually asked for it!! i was 41 + 3 days with spd and totally fed up, dd turned up at exactly 42 weeks and i was so totally exhausted and in pain and swollen and bloated, it was awful!!! i really hope to be able to do things naturally this time and recover quick and not have to go anywhere near the hospital

hedgepig · 19/09/2008 20:31

thanks VS I put it in the birth plan and have emailed it off, but I haven't had any feed back yet. The idea is the birth plan will be lodged on the delivery unit so they know what to expect when i come in. All I need to do now is go into labour .
Pinky I could email you my birth plan if you want, I don't know if it is any good or not. I can't imagine why they wouldn't let you home in the same time frame as a "normal" delivery if you were to have a rupture it would be when you are contraction not after you have given birth. Home in 3 hrs what a fantastic thought, ds and I were in 10 days last time I though I would never get home.
selfemployedness are your mws independent mws or NHS ones? I have never felt a contraction either the thought of it is freaking me out slightly.

selfemployedness · 19/09/2008 20:49

hello hedgepig, my midwives are funded by the nhs and kings (in london).

i have my birth talk booked in a couple of week, i think they talk about birth plans then, after my last experience i haven't really wanted to think about it, hope they come up with some good tips, anyone got any they would like to share?

hedgepig when is your due date? is anyone due around end of oct.beginning of nov? i'm due nov 3rd.......

hellymelly · 19/09/2008 20:59

I tried for a VBAC but my labour didn't progress properly and I ended up having another section-but support to all you trying as I am SO glad I tried,it healed a lot of wounds from the first section,I had lovely labour endorphins and so felt fantastic afterwards,and if it comes to it for you a section is so much easier the second time around,so its all good!

hedgepig · 19/09/2008 21:20

I'm due on the 4th Oct, so it could be any time now. Gosh Kings sounds very enlightened supporting a home VBAC. Since you are going to be at home I think you are in a good position to not get trapped in a situation of being tied to a monitor, stuck in one position etc.

Thanks Helly (thats my name in RL!!) my last cs was a total shock I just went in for a check because of reduced fetal movement at 40 weeks to find I had a unrecognized breech baby and no amniotic fluid so the whipped him out that afternoon. The cs was completely the right thing to do but I still have a lot of crap in my head 5 yrs later, so even if I don't succeed this time I will have tried everything I can.

PInkyminkyohnooo · 19/09/2008 21:26

Hedgepig that would be great, thanks. pinkyminky at mac dot com.

I was guessing I would be allowed home. Spoke to a friend today who had a VBAC at the same hospital, and she said she would've but ended up staying in because she had quite a few stitches that needed pain reief (epidural), so had to stay overnight.

Thanks for your lind words, Hellymelly. I'm actually getting quite excited about it all now. I've had one emcs and one elcs and I'm not scared of either of those, I've just never had experience of a full labour, as you say, I would love to experience this.

PInkyminkyohnooo · 19/09/2008 21:27

that's kind words!

hedgepig · 19/09/2008 21:49

OK pinky I will send it to you. Probably tomorrow, my DH dose very complicated things with the computer so I need to go to a different bit of it and I'm too tired at the moment

PInkyminkyohnooo · 19/09/2008 21:52

thanks so much Hedgepig- there is no rush

hedgepig · 20/09/2008 11:12

e malled it, let me know if it does/doesn't turn up,

PInkyminkyohnooo · 20/09/2008 14:18

thanks Hedgepig- it going to be very useful

FairyBasslet · 20/09/2008 23:16

Hi all. Can I ask for a bit of advice here please? Sorry this is going to be fairly long as I get my thoughts in order...

I'm 34 weeks with DC3. DS was a natural birth, back to back so very painful and had an epidural but pushed him out with no assistance aside from a little snip. He was born at 41 weeks and was 8lbs 7.

DD was undiagnosed footling breech which was spotted when I was heading into transition (had only just got into labour ward - everything went very quickly) and necessitated a crash section with general anaesthetic. She weighed in at a whopping 10lbs 5 and according to several midwives and doctors, did me a favour by being breech as they reckon I'd never have got her out naturally (I'm only 5ft 2 and not of very big build). Again, she decided to appear at 41 weeks.

Anyway, fastforward to DC3 and whether to attempt a VBAC or not. I have been diagnosed with gestational diabetes this time and am on insulin 3 times a day for this as I have been unable to control it with diet alone. I understand that I would be on some sort of insulin drip to control my blood sugars throughout labour and, due to the prior c-section, baby would be monitored as well. Also, I would likely be offered induction at 38-39 weeks but I don't think induction is particularly conducive to a successful VBAC.

The Diabetes Midwife I saw last week is keen that I try a VBAC but I don't see the consultant or have a scan for another couple of weeks. Last time I saw her she made a comment about the risk factors mounting, and having done a bit of reading now, I kind of get what she's saying. Baby is looking to be just over 8lb at 38 weeks according to scans but I know there's at least a 15% margin of error.

Previously I was worried about the possibility of shoulder distocia but now I'm starting to think about the potential of uterine rupture as I know that this is more likely with an induction.

My main reason for thinking of attempting a VBAC is obviously to minimise recovery time, having a 5 year old and a 2 year old to deal with. I don't have a problem with the thought of having another section as I recovered very well last time - it's just the inability to drive etc that's worrying me.

Does anyone have any experience with the above combination of insulin-dependent GDM combined with induction and VBAC?

All thoughts and advice gratefully received as this is starting to keep me awake at night now trying to figure out what to do.

Klaw · 21/09/2008 15:00

I was the most amazing WBA2C that wasn't at the beginning of this week! K had two previous CS at her closest hospital but she decided to change Trusts to use an MLU that has won awards for faciltating VBAC and WBAC. She asked for the VBAC friendly cons, Dr U, and he did not bat an eyelid when she stated her preference for a WBA2C on the MLU. He simply wrote it up in her notes and signed it off. The MW she was in contact with there were fab and one in particular had emailed a few times and given her contatc details in case it was needed!

K called me in early labour on Monday morning and as I was due to take her to see cons that day I went down early. K had not slept much during the night or through the day, except for dozes and she eventually decided to go to the MLU, arriving at 4pm, to be told they were chocca and we had to wait in Obs unit till pool ready, She cried! She was eventually assessed as FULLY effaced but only 1 or 2 cms, again she cried! We pointed out how positive that actually was. K's mum and her dh arrived. She had first lot of IV ABs for GBS. Eventually she was taken to bath at about 6.30ish and I went out to speak to her mum. Came back in about 7 to find them coming out as 10 secs after she got in bath on MLU, her waters broke and mec was everywhere.

Quick assessment in birth pool room which was now ready and she had now got to 4/5 ish and mec was fresh. Blast!!! But progress was good.

Moved back through to obs unit and she laboured like an absolute star till 3.30am, she was standing by bed whole time, using G&A and had 3 lots of diamorphine. She was standing asleep by this point so mw checked her as she had been gutteral for a little while, and yes, unfortunately she had been pushing down on 8cms which then thickened up cervix. Mw suggested epi to allow her to sleep and hopefully cervix would thin again and then fully dilate. She and hubby napped, Doc checked her at 5am while i was out and it was still only 8cm. 7pm showed her still to be 8cm, she was knackered, GBS carrier, baby had been in mec for 12 hours and no progress for 4.... decision to move to calm CS. Mind you all obs had been perfect all the time and baby's HR never wavered through any contraction, It was steady as a rock!!!!!! so why had she passed mec? been wracking my brains for any sudden shocks/loud noises etc. Think it was just that she was a ready baby.

When I was sat waiting for news of op Dr U, walked passed, recognised me after me attending ONE appointment with K and asked how things were. I gave him snapshot and he went to get news. Came back and confirmed they were all perfect and arranged for me and K's mum to get on recovery fairly swiftly.

K had been so pleased to see him pop in on her, was delighted with labouring on her own terms, even with it all going to pot with the mec.

Parents elated with a 8lb 14 girl who was latched and chomping like she'd been around for weeks not barely 2 hours. K got skin to skin, which had never happened in previous 2 births, dad got to cut cord and they got to examine placenta. All their wishes were respected, and if only we had walked straight in to birth pool room from the begining and baby had not passed mec? Nothing we can do to change that.

I can truly say it was a very successful, empowering labour that she coped with with amazing strength, and dad and I worked together so well.. I can't really describe it.... i mean she moblised the entire time till epidual!!!

I have been hit by the anti climax now and mum is a bit baby bluesy too. I hope to see her soon and we can do a birth debrief.

Klaw · 21/09/2008 15:01

I was AT the most amazing...

mppaw · 21/09/2008 22:09

3 evenings later and I have finally read this entire thread ! Only realised last night that this goes back to SEPT 07 .

EMS with DD1 (Mar06) after being induced (41+3). Got to 10 cms and pushed for 2 hours but she was really high up and not coming down so was offered an instrumental birth or CS. Opted for CS.

Am now 23 weeks with DC2. Really want a VBAC so doing as much reading/research as possible and this thread has been great. It has the most wonderful birth stories, VBAC and CS's. Really feels me with such confidence that I will do this in January09.

Will continue to lurk and read, butting in everynow and again.

mumofdjandbabies · 22/09/2008 11:13

Klaw I am famous tee hee
do you know I had forgotten MOST of all that info!

A bit annoyed at myself for pushing at 8cm and thickening up my cervix but body just sort of did it boo hoo

anyway I have a little lady so all is well ,,,, xxx thanks klaw

mppaw · 09/10/2008 11:09

Have got my 28 week meeting with midwife at the hospital next week re my VBAC and am going prepared. Have started making a list of questions, but was wondering if anyone had any questions that I could ask that might not be on my list.....Thanks.

LackaDAISYcal · 10/10/2008 20:05

bumping this again as my VBA2C is......well.....IMMINENT

After a disappointing 36 week appointment with registrar pushing for me to agree to intermittent monitoring as they don't deal with many VBA2Cs at all, my doula had a word with the top MW at the other unit here. She (the MW) has confirmed that they wouldn't treat me any differently from any other woman who was wanting a natural labour and would be happy for me to be monitored every 15 mins using hand held device . I might even get to use the birthing pool if it is free! so I have her name, the name of the consultant I need to ask my care to be under, and then once I have swapped hopsitals, the MW is going to meet with me to draw up a care plan according to my individual circumstances.

I'm feeling very pleased about it all as I was starting to feel quite despondent.

Only stipulation is that I need to be full term.....so any time after next Thursday is fine for me young Virgil

Off to catch up since I last posted.

mppaw, hi there . What sort of things did you have in mind? Have you looked at all the links on page 2 of this thread? Lots of good information there.

Klaw · 10/10/2008 23:48

Bring it on Daisy!!!!!

And just to let all those who may be in the Tayside vicinity that the topic of This months Dundee Birth Choices is VBAC!!!! Yay, I'll be in my element Although I think my mw colleague is expecting me to lead the meeting [gulp]

She's too busy revelling in her RCOM Student MW of the Year award!!! Whoo hoo!!!

LackaDAISYcal · 11/10/2008 23:33

thanks Klaw

Good Luck leading your meeting.

PS...wee typo there in the spelling of Kirkcaldy

Klaw · 12/10/2008 18:22

Daisy, you're not still in Kirkcaldy, are you?

I'm back at FP next Friday for a Study Day which I'm really looking forward to. Have to say that so far my experience with them has been totally positive as regards VBAC and I keep shouting it from roof tops.

People will be getting bored.....

as for the typo, that wasn't me, I'll report back to the webmaster. Can't believe I've not noticed for the last 3 months

LackaDAISYcal · 12/10/2008 19:50

no, Klaw.....I escaped left three and half years ago when DH and I got married. I'm in Leeds now

I do miss Fife though.

LackaDAISYcal · 12/10/2008 19:55

I was born at FP ...in the old stone building as the "new" one hadn't been built then!

mppaw · 12/10/2008 20:18

Thanks for the bump daisy.
Just signed in, so am going to have a look back at this thread for some helpful info re my imminent meeting!!

Cheers

LackaDAISYcal · 12/10/2008 20:45

I know there are a few others out there at the minute, so hopefully we can keep this inactive convos for a while again.....or I might even start a new thread but copy over all the relevant links etc.

When are you due mppaw?