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"Support for imminent VBACers" thread?

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pendulum · 05/09/2007 08:42

Hi there,
I am 38 weeks today and planning a VBAC after my el CS for breech.

I haven't spent much time on the ante natal threads because I couldn't keep up with them! But now I am on mat leave and due date is approaching I would love to chat to anyone else hoping for a VBAC in the near future.

Is there anyone else out there, or another thread I can join? (Am just heading to docs to check baby position but will log in again later!)

Thanks
p xx

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vicky11 · 11/04/2008 09:27

Hi I've also been hanging around this thread for a while now!! I'm 40 wks tomorrow and really hoping for a vbac. I had a cs 16 months ago due to my dd being breech. So like you hedgepig never had a contraction.
Daisy I can't believe your midwife isn't more supportive of a vbac, I have been led to believe the short space between cs and vbac doesn't increase the chances of a rupture. I have had a few antenatal appointments at my hospital with a consultant due to my cs and they pointed out the 1% risk, as I'm sure they have to make you aware. I have been told not to stay at home too long.
I think this will suit me as i'm a bit of a wuss and I like the idea of getting 'settled and familiar to my surroundings' along with the notion of being 'monitored'!
I do hope though I can be monitored intermittently. When I asked about a water birth I was told no. I hope if need I may be able to get in the bath. Anybody else able to do this? I suppose If I scream loud enough I will get my requests!
I have a long list for my mw on tues (i'm due a sweep if I get that far) but I feel so far slightly unprepared as I have hardly seen my mw and I'm worried things might not go to plan when I arrive at hospital. Anyhow good luck to everybody else!!

bobsmum · 11/04/2008 09:38

Portandlemon - firstly congratulations on your VBAC and your Lemonpip

Your post has really cheered me up - was feeling quite low about the whole thing. Dh is now getting fired up about fighting my case and we will both be practising our mad glints

VictorianSqualor · 20/04/2008 12:11

How is everyone doing?
Have we got some more babies on the way soon?
bobsmum?

(for those of you who don't know I didnt get my VBA2C, DS decided to stay put until 41 weeks when I elected for a cs, however, I am planning a VBA3C for about ooh, 2years time? so I think I'll stay put )

lackaDAISYcal · 20/04/2008 19:12

Can any of you lovely lot, help me out here?

lackaDAISYcal · 30/04/2008 09:56

Things have gone quiet on this thread, but I'm hoping for my VBAC in about 27 weeks time, and i know there are a few others, both imminent and not so imminent, out there, so bumping to keep the thread active

hedgepig · 30/04/2008 13:31

hello Daisy I'm due 4 Oct and hoping for a VBAC too, so not imminet. I saw the consultant last week, she asked how I planned to deliver this one and I said Vaginally and she said good!!! I nearly fell through the floor. Anyway not much to do at the moment except read and hope the pg goes well. They want to see me aging at 32 weeks to see how things are going. My mw also v.supportive and told me a how she delivered a VBAC lady in the pool when she was on the deliver unit, which sounds fab to me.

HarrietTheSpy · 30/04/2008 13:40

Hi
Can I join and rant a bit?

I am 33 wks and planning to try for a VBAC. Consultant seems pretty supportive, also have IM, all of which is good news. But I feel like since having DD 3.5 years ago the add ons as to what's "needed" to prepare for birth have really gone up a notch and it's getting on my nerves big style. Last time it was ante natal classes, the odd acupuncture apt or homeopathic tables to help get things started, and that's about it. Maybe yoga and swimming too, if you could find a class/pool. This time the list of essentials has really expanded and includes such things as hypnobirthing (£300), an Epi-No (£75), pool optional (but recommended for pain relief and another £100), on and on. Is anyone else noticing this, having had their first DC a couple of years ago? Maybe it's a wider thing going on, the expansion of the "birth industry." SUpposedly they're all helpful for one's mindset and baby positioning etc to increase success chances for VBAC.But I can't help wondering if it's all really necessary.

hedgepig · 30/04/2008 14:08

Hiya Harriet, please rant away. Sorry but what's IM?
I hadn't noticed really but then I'm only 17 weeks and have only just stated to let myself believe that I am having a baby. I'm trying to get a 1 day birth refresher course but that is about all I'm planning. I think there is a huge industry with birth and babies and you just have to take it all with a pinch of salt. I think for a successful VBAC like any birth if you can get the baby in a good position and have as active a labour as you are comfortable with you are a lot of the way there (maybe I'm being naive i will find out in October I suppose)

lackaDAISYcal · 30/04/2008 15:00

harriet, I noticed a big difference from having my DS six years ago to having DD last year. I think maybe it;s because of the rise of the internet in that time, so more chance of seeing stuff on all the parenting sites. I think essentially it's still about good positioning and breathing techniques and keeping active, as was ever thus. IKWYM though.

IM = independant midwife?

hedgepig, I'm aiming for a VBA2C and went into my foirst AN appointment ready for a fight. The registrar was very matter of fact, could see I'd done my research and said OK! she did put a proviso on it of no further than 41 weeks then straight to electvie, and of hving CFM. I will argue those points at a later date.

I've hired a doula, who also happens to be on the local maternity services liaison committee. she has given me the name of the pro VBAC consultant for our hospitals so I'm going to ask my MW (who is not very supportive) to get me transferred to her list. the douls also suggested a water birth, but as it's hit and miss whether you get a pool or not (only two in the hospital), I'm not sure I'd be able, or allowed to.

hedgepig · 30/04/2008 21:31

I talked to my mw about the constant monitoring and she says you can move around with it which confused me cos I though you had to stay still. Anyone else know wheather you can move about or not?

hedgepig · 30/04/2008 21:32

I talked to my mw about the constant monitoring and she says you can move around with it which confused me cos I though you had to stay still. Anyone else know wheather you can move about or not?

lackaDAISYcal · 01/05/2008 11:31

hedgepig, you can move around still hooked up to the monitor, but as far as i'm aware the readings are only of any use when you are still; so that makes it having it on when you are moving around a bit of nonsense imo. I will be insisting on a hand held doppler check every 10-15 minutes.

hedgepig · 01/05/2008 20:09

thanks, it does seem a bit daft to have it on. If I manage to get in a pool then it certainly won't work . I'm bored of waiting now it's going to be a long time until Oct.

jamila169 · 08/05/2008 01:23

Hello again folks!
WARNING THIS IS VERY LONG!!!
Well I had my 3rd VBAC in january, not at home as I planned, in fact nothing like I planned at all! Ella was eventually born in hospital, after I had a fairly large bleed ,went to hospital, spent a day on the most uncomfortable bed in christendom,for some unfathomable reason holding ctg leads on so I could actually move a bit,having a reg perform a sweep on me without my consent and spending the night in a bay on the ward on my own - anyway by 2am i'd had enough of this mallarkey and took up residence in the day room. When someone actually noticed I wasn't in the bay and came looking,2 hours later - I laid my cards on the table: I had been up at this point since saturday morning (this was monday morning)and I had no intention of becoming so exhausted that I ended up with a section because of it,especially in light of having SPD and 3 more kids at home, so i told the midwife that if i was still in the same state by 6am, she'd have to get the consultant in as I would be having the CS before I 'bloody collapsed'.
10 minutes later I had another bleed and that concentrated their minds wonderfully, so I found myself walking down to the labour ward. The midwife I was allocated to was real old school,but my reputation must have gone before because she was really anxious to do anything possible to stick by my birth plan. after a discussion and an examination we decided that at 8cm,breaking my waters would probably get things moving , and it did- I went to fully delighted as soon as she'd done it! next thing a junior came in with instruction to get a venflon in - grrrr, I only consented because I'd no idea why I'd had the bleeds and if it would start again,and by this stage I was feeling very anaemic and looked it too(never had an FBC done the whole time though, which was a bit pants - normally, i'm the same colour as the lebanese reg who did the sweep,but I think she thought that my being the colour of a dead pig was the norm for a brit)
anyway, MW pops out for her kit, and i decides to get on all 4's and sod the CTG,and the pain in my hand where the DR had put the cannula straight across my wrist joint, there was no way I could tolerate being laid on my back a second longer, she comes back in and i announce,have you got your gloves on cos I'm going to push NOW , She has a mad flap cos apparently she's not delivered anyone on all fours - I says don't worry about that, I'll tell you when to catch(yes, i was that direct- my gobby reflex didn't suffer a bit) . Next thing I told her the head was coming,next push I asked if that was the shoulders, and then it was all over bar the shouting(and some more of the red stuff, but not much).
Ella was born at 5am (ish)with 2 true knots in her cord, one on top of the other, and her cord was amazingly long, it just kept coming and coming .I think it was around 4 feet in all. no cause was found for the bleeding, no cervical erosion,no abrubtion,no clotts behind the placenta, nothing - I can only imagine that the way things went was meant to be, and I'm pretty sure that if I'd known about the knots beforehand, I would have chosen to go in, mainly for the monitoring, so I could see that she wasn't in trouble, as it was,as my mum said- She meant to arrive safely, and my body took me to where things could be sorted out if they needed to b, and I was back home within 6 hours.
Anyway, she is 4 months old today, breastfeeding like a pro,and looking like a mini sumo wrestler after a very shaky start(the anaemia affected my milk supply and I had to pump to get extra into her after she lost weight fairly dramatically in the first week, My midwife's first words when she saw me the day after were 'bloody hell, you look like crap, what's your HB?' and i had no idea, just crammed in as much spatone as I could stomach for a fortnight)
Anyway, sorry it's been so long before I supplied the gory details I'll go away and write out a hundred times -i must not neglect mumsnet
LisaX

Lulumama · 08/05/2008 07:22

great to see you back here jamila, have missed you ! lol @ gobby reflex! do you have pic of Ellas cord? so unusual to have one true knot, never mind two !

glad to hear she arrived safely, and that you were able to keep control of how you wanted things, to a degree.

x

jamila169 · 08/05/2008 22:16

Thanks lulu
rolls sleeves up now where were we?

Klaw · 13/05/2008 20:42

LISA!!!!!!

How the blardy hell are you? I have missed you too! What a BS?!!

Brilliant name btw, any pics? Email me them NOW!

Sassafrass · 13/05/2008 22:09

Hi everyone,thought I'd join in.

I had my dd 3 years ago through emergency c-section after heavy bleeding when my waters broke. It turned out I had undiagnosed vasa previa, velamentous cord insertion and placental abruption. I wasn't upset about the section but it took me a long time to recover afterwards. I'm now 26 weeks pregnant with dd2 and considering my options. I'll have a detailed scan with my consultant in three weeks to try to rule out vasa previa and velamentous cord insertion this time. Noone is really giving me straight answers on the placental abruption and risks of it recurring.

Ideally, I would like a natural birth. The recovery after the section was dreadful and a natural birth is something I would like to experience. I'm waiting to decide after I've seen the consultant again though. I know I couldn't manage if she insisted on continuos monitoring as I have to move around to deal with pain.

I've really enjoyed reading everyone elses experiences, it's made me feel much more informed.

Mikafan · 15/05/2008 15:05

Out of curiousity, does anyone know if you would be allowed to go for a VBAC if you've had 2 CS births in a row?

Klaw · 15/05/2008 15:59

Of course you are 'allowed', it's totally your choice. Unfortunately the HCPs tend to err on the side of caution (fear of litigation etc) and give the impression that they can tell you what to do...

However, research shows that there is no significant increase in risk for VBA2C compared to VBAC.

Also the Greentop Guidelines No 45 state that VBA2C should be supported in an otherwise uncomplicated pg. Download them and offer to any reticent HCPs! See point 6.2

There are quite a few women having VBA2C, HBA2C, and some even having VBA3C and VBA4C.

You need to talk to HoM to discuss your options, imho, as cons are not experts in normal birth. It would be wise to get HoM to arrange suitably experienced and VBAC confident mw to provide care.

Mikafan · 15/05/2008 16:08

Does the fact that I'll be on a blood thinner make any difference do you think? I'm not actually pregnant by the way but we are trying

damewashalot · 15/05/2008 16:27

Hello, can I just stick my nose in here? I'm 36+ with dc4 and hoping for a second vbac _ ds1 normal del, ds2 turned to footling breech at 39wks when I was in labour so cs, ds3 vbac, but this one is an unstable lie and won't stop spinning around in there. I'm booked for a scan on monday and to see consultant the idea being that it would have settled by then, one way around or another but it's still very mobile. I really would prefer another vbac but it's looking less and less likely, any thoughts on how to encourage baby to stay head down? it will turn that way, just not for long.

Klaw · 15/05/2008 17:25

What gestation are you Damewashalot?

Have you checked out Spinning Babies?

also Optimal Foetal Positioning. It's on the Homebirth website but very relevant!

damewashalot · 15/05/2008 17:41

36+2 thanks for the link, I'll have a look.

Lulumama · 15/05/2008 19:18

sassafrass.. the risks of abruption recurring are miniscule and the scans should rule out the velamentous cord insertion and vasa previa... if htey do, then IMO no reason you should not go for a VBAC..

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