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"Support for imminent VBACers" thread?

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pendulum · 05/09/2007 08:42

Hi there,
I am 38 weeks today and planning a VBAC after my el CS for breech.

I haven't spent much time on the ante natal threads because I couldn't keep up with them! But now I am on mat leave and due date is approaching I would love to chat to anyone else hoping for a VBAC in the near future.

Is there anyone else out there, or another thread I can join? (Am just heading to docs to check baby position but will log in again later!)

Thanks
p xx

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stripeybumpsmum · 17/11/2007 13:45

Hey, what is happening everyone? It is a bit quiet...good quiet (not able to get to the PC) or bad quiet (sick of everyone bloody well asking)?

I can speed marhing through a busy shopping centre with fed up toddler and DH in tow doing panic Xmas shopping as a way to induce labour if that helps

stripeybumpsmum · 17/11/2007 13:45

I can recommend speed marching...

claraquitebignow · 18/11/2007 14:46

Stripey - nothing happening here, but am still only 38+1 so not expecting it for a bit. Will hold off speed marching for another week as DH has a two-day course in Birmingham and hoping to go to London for the day this coming week. He told the baby to wait a while today - I think he is panicking it will come early and he won't have finished what needs doing at work (he is planning to have most/all of Dec off).

I, on the other hand, am so SICK of being pregnant I would be happy for the baby to arrive right NOW.

claraquitebignow · 18/11/2007 14:49

A question for Lulumama (or any other experts out there): Dr told me last week that the baby's head is 2/5ths engaged. I know this doesn't mean too much but some people have said to me that 2nd baby's usually only engage at the last moment. However as I had elective c/s last time, is this like a first baby in terms of it engaging (if that makes any sense!). Or should I just ignore all symtoms/engagement etc and tell myself the baby will come when it's ready?

Any answers much appreciated - or tell me to stop being so impatient and go do some cleaning....

Klaw · 18/11/2007 15:05

Clara, I'd advise that you don't think about it like that at all!

Good news is that if baby is sitting in the pelvis a little it means that there's little risk of cord prolapse if waters go. Other than that I don't think it's worth obsessing about.

However, as a VBACer I understand the need to see that your body is doing what it's supposed to. I've been there!

Let me tell you, without outside intervention your body knows exactly what to do and your baby knows when it's time to be born and how to get born.

Have faith in yourself, enjoy the twilight of your pg and don't allow yourself to get stressed. Read up on normal childbirth, ignore horror stories.

Ina May Gaskin, Dr Sarah Buckley are just two writers to listen to.

Tovik · 18/11/2007 15:23

had two vbacs after ist baby section for "failure to progress" aka imo badly managed labour

stay upright for as long as possible!

lulumama · 18/11/2007 15:27

to add to that, klaw, if the baby is partially engaged then you pretty much know that the baby is going to fit through the pelvis, so that is a really good sign. my second baby, who was my VBAC, was partially engaged from 34 weeks, and was born on her due date

but tbh, baby will come when ready , the best thing you can do is relax, do some visulisation, read some inspiring books and wait !

Kitsilano · 18/11/2007 18:29

I'm still here too! 37+3 and so ready for this baby to come out but trying to be patient. Also 2/5 palpable (so I assume 3/5 engaged) and trying to read lots into it but know I shouldn't!

lulumama · 18/11/2007 18:45

just keep thinking positive, birthy thoughts!

claraquitebignow · 19/11/2007 11:35

Thanks Klaw and Lulumama - although I am ready for the baby to come in terms of how I feel (eg like total crap), my dd isn't too well so would rather she got better first, plus I still have a few things to do. So am happy to wait a while!

Will relax (as much as is possible with a toddler and a stressed husband to look after...) and revel in being able to pretty much do what I like as I am 9 MONTHS PREGNANT!

bumpy06 · 19/11/2007 11:47

Haven't posted in a while as I am trying not to obsess about chances of VBAC. It has been great to read other positive stories. I just hope mine works out okay as well. First baby was emcs for failure to progress and large baby (10lbs 1oz) but no-one seems to take me seriously that this one will be big too. DHs family have history of large babies although its not the case on my side. But I have my 37 week consultants appointment today and hoping he might agree to scan. Terrified of going through labour again and ending up in theatre because no-one will even try and give me a sensible estimate of weight of baby - 4 days before DS arrived I was told he would be about 8lbs LOL. I am also sure they have my dates wrong so afraid I will end up being nearly 2 weeks over when they think I am only 8 days ( I was 8 days late on DS).

Did anyone manage to squeeze a late scan out of the NHS? I would actually be happy to pay as well but don't know where to go to get one!

VictorianSqualor · 19/11/2007 11:56

Hi guys, I haven't posted for a while either, (used to be Lorayn/LoRayningnewtsandfrogs btw) but I was watching something on the baby channel yesterday about going into labour and I got all nervous and excited at the same time, I'm only 20 weeks but I can't stop thinking about it!
I posted about my wonderful consultant a while back here and how happy I was to be having my VBA2C, But wanted to talk about monitoring, on my notes it says I have agreed to monitoring, but the more I think about it the more I realise I don't actually know what labour entails let alone monitoring durng labour!

Bumpy06, I would have thought speaking to your consultant could get you another scan, mine has only agreed to my VBA2C on the condition that I have growth scans to see how big the baby is going to get. Good luck.

Klaw · 19/11/2007 16:42

drat dd just lost me a huge post!!!!

anyway, Bumpy, don't stress about a big baby! big babies are good! A well positioned big baby will exert good pressure on the cervis thereby aiding dilation.

What you need is patience, faith in your body, time to labour....

check out this link for what I mean

sory can't say more atm as dd being difficult

lulumama · 19/11/2007 16:46

bumpy

i got a growth scan at 35 week, after measuring 37 weeks at 34 weeks, bear in mind they can be inaccurate, but might give you an idea

as Klaw says, a big well positioned baby should not be a problem to birth, you can adopt positions that open up the pelvis, and avoidign lying on the bed can be helpful

VS - you say you don;t know what labour entails.. do you have specific questions?

bumpy06 · 19/11/2007 17:44

Thanks all. I know big babies are good but they aren't ideal if you are only 5feet 4inches and normally weigh about 9 stones. Anyway I got my scan. And I can expect another big one. Estimate is that baby already 7lbs 2oz. No gestational diabetes or anything just a quirk of fate. Consultant has agreed to sweep at 38 weeks so that might help to get things moving.

He was very supportive and reckons that if I got to 9cms last time I am able to deliver a 10 pounder and it was just bad luck the last time. Far more supportive than my midwife.

Fingers crossed.

Klaw · 19/11/2007 18:15

Bumpy6, I know of a few VBAC women who have had babies about 10lb whilst being about 5' just!!!! You are not tiny and I believe you can do it! Remembering, of course, that dating and sizing scans are notoriously innacurate, especially in later stages of pg.

I hate the way that women are left thinking their bodies are somehow 'broken' and they will need help birthing their babies...

Have you read Ina May Gaskin's Guide to Childbirth? If not, do so!

VictorianSqualor · 19/11/2007 18:49

Well, I've been lucky enough to be present at two births, of friends children, so I do kind of know what's expected, I just wondered how much monitoring is going to restrict me and what I can do whilst monitored. I should really have asked at the hospital, but I was so thrilled she was on my side I was happy to agree with anything!

She did tell me that at my hospital they are happy to do an induction, but only with the one that goes through the drip, rather than the gel, and that I will have to have a venflon in at all times, just incase, which both were fine by me, hopefully I won't need inducing, but if I do, I'll cross that bridge
when I come to it.

So is monitoring when they strap you up to machines and you can't get off the bed???
I know how I deal with pain, and it isn't to lay still!

Also as this is my third baby, but my first labour (well, I went into early labour with DD at 32weeks and they gave me a drug which stopped it, then I had an em-cs a few days later) does the whole 'second and subsequent children' apply to me or not?

lulumama · 20/11/2007 10:27

continous foetal monitoring is usually advised to women who;ve had a previous c.s . this is where you have two bands round your belly, one to monitor baby, one to monitor contractions, and there are long leads plugged into a machine. Often you are encouraged to stay on the bed for this, and remain still. which is really quite hard when you are in labour ! you can request intermittent monitoring, and if you search on here, there is some good stuff about it. I had CFM for my VBAC, but was encouraged, nay, forced !! off the bed as my baby was OP.. the leads are long enough to allow you to stand, sit on a birth ball, but not leave the room or go to the loo.. as i said, you do not have to have it, if you have the information to make an informed decision to refuse it.

being immobile is not a good way to encourage labour, nor is lying down, the best compromise is to stay at home as long as you can, and take it from there.

there are other signs of impending rupture apart from the ones that can be picked up from the CFM, there is a good article about it by Mary Cronk, which you can find on here, or google it.

do lots and lots of reading and get to know about the process of labour and read positive stuff, ina may gasking, janet balaskas, penny simkin, sheila kitzinger are all good ones to start with

also, make sure your birth partner understands your hopes and fears for labour, and make sure they are clear on what you want and don;t want as you cannot have a rational decision in the middle of your labour ! have you thought about a doula?

good idea to draw up two birth preference plans.. one for VBAC , one for em c.s, so that you are not being hurried into decisions whilst labouring, and your thoughts are known before hand.

VictorianSqualor · 20/11/2007 11:56

Thanks Lulu, I'll have a look for some of that info. I rememebr having those bands when I was in with my first and at the time I was so tired I was happy to lay still but I just feel that If I'm going to do abour this time then I want to be at home as long as possible and be able to move around when I'm in hospital. I'll see what I can read up on and discuss it with my comsultant.

I've got my MIL and DP coming in as my birthing partners, I know dp will be useless once I'm in pain, he's even said as much himself, but his mum is aware of my plans so far and has promised she'll make sure they're adhered to, she actually works as a phlebotomist in the childrens and womens centre in the hospital I'm going to be giving birth in, so knows a lot of the midwives and consultants so I'm hoping she'll be a formidable force to keep it going my way!

I've thought about drawing up a plan for em cs, but wasn't sure just how much say I could have if I was under GA, I have started one for el-cs incase for some reason I can't go ahead with the VBA2C.

lulumama · 20/11/2007 12:00

why would you hve to be under GA for em c.s?

even if you are, tehn you can ask for your DP or mum to have skin to skin, and for baby not to be bottlefed, if you want to breastfeed, and for pictures etc.. so there are still things you can specify

VictorianSqualor · 20/11/2007 12:11

I suppose as I had GA with the first, and the only other two people I know to have had an emergency cs had GA as well, I kind of assumed.

I'll be making it clear in my birthplan that no matter what happens I do not want the baby to be given a bottle, as it was something I really had to stand my ground with when DS was born, a nurse on the HDU was determined to feed him!

I'll write a birth plan for cs either way then, and state that I want as much possible adhered to depending on circumstances, if I ws to rupture then I think them sorting that out would be my first priority as with the abruption I had with DD, but if it's anything else I'd like to think DP can be there, cut the cord and sex the baby, along with me wanting skin-to-skin asap and no bottles.

Hopefully it won't come to any of this!

WRT my other message do you know if everything that is suppsoed to be different with a second/subsequent baby applies to me? I've thought of it as second/subsequent labours so far rather than pregnancies, as haven't been through labour.

lulumama · 20/11/2007 13:02

if you have laboured at all, then you are considered to be second labour or third, rather than first.. even if you did not get into established labour

i would hope that if you did have to have a c.s, you can have it under epidural, an emergency c.s differs from a crash c.s, where there is no time for an epi and the baby has to be out NOW

VictorianSqualor · 20/11/2007 13:08

Ok, thanks Lulu. Poor dp keeps finding me reading things about labour/VBAC/Birth and doesn't have a clue what I'm talking about, it's nice to be able to ask someone who actually knows!

lulumama · 20/11/2007 14:01

no worries, you can also contact me off board , if you need anything

mail @ mothering instincts. com

no gaps !

Klaw · 20/11/2007 15:33

I prefer to call them Birth Preferences but this is a good link of options to pick and choose from, including your preferences if a CS is needed.