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FECKING FURIOUS ON BEHALF OF SIL

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lissielou · 20/03/2007 13:08

sils baby has been transverse for a while, shwe already has 1 ds and she had 3rd degree tears with him, loads of stitches and broke her coxycs (sp) pushing. she was told that a cs would be safest but saw mw yesterday and mw wants to turn baby into breech so she can have a vb. SiL doesnt want the baby turned, but mw is adamant that thats whatll happen coz shropshire HA doesnt offer elective cs.

many of you know my birth story already the same HA (obv) and just furious that they are trying to bully her like this! mw even used the same lines on her that they did on me, labours hard work, a cs is the easy option blah blah blah!

rant over..... ish.

im so angry

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fryalot · 20/03/2007 13:09

Does she have any other options? Can she go to a hospital outside the area?

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lissielou · 20/03/2007 13:11

they are waiting til 36w. just so scared that shes going to have the same probs as me getting them to listen.

shes going to speak to her dh about it later re diff area

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StrawberrySnowflakes · 20/03/2007 13:11

you can request ot change MW you know..sounds like she should! or ask to speak to her consultant instead?

TheBlonde · 20/03/2007 13:12

Lissie - surely she can refuse their offer of attempting to turn the baby?

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lissielou · 20/03/2007 13:15

i hope so. luckily lots of lovely mners gave me infop on turning babies which she is arming herself with. she hasnt seen a consultant or registrar once! which in itself is disgraceful. 1 prob is the mw who delivered her ds changed her notes to say that she was pushing for less than an hour, in reality it was nearly 3, so that the baby would be delivered at the mw unit not the major hosp!

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Hillary · 20/03/2007 13:19

They cant make her do anything she doesnt want, I'd demand an ec, I had one after a 3rd degree tear too, change midwife/hospital.

Obviously midwife doesn't have children.

lulumama · 20/03/2007 13:20

detials , info and stats for every maternity hospital and unit in the country can change hospitals

also, she cannot be forced to have an ECV....

am sort of thinking that it is good that they are prepared for her to deliver vaginally a breech, as so many hospitals encourage an elective c,s for this..

BUT , bearing in mind her history and what happened with you, i can see why she is not comfortable with this.....

labour is hard work, yes,BUT c.s is not an easy option,

it is not up to the midwife, if her obs is happy for a c.s, then it will be ok

and at the end of the day, if she refuses ECV and baby stays transverse, she has to have a c.s as no way to deliver a transverse baby vaginally

if the hospial has crappy stats for succesful ECV it is more in her favour....

VeniVidiVickiQV · 20/03/2007 13:21

They cant make her.

They really cant.

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lissielou · 20/03/2007 13:22

obv! just dont understand why they are doing this! i know about the "too posh to push" culture, but thats only a v tiny minority. all of whom use private hospitals. when will they realise that a cs isnt the "easy option" for some women its the only 1!

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lissielou · 20/03/2007 13:30

thanks lulu. will email that to her.
the worst thing is shes just got her head around a cs!

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Grrrr · 20/03/2007 13:43

They can't make her give birth p.v. and if she had a difficult first birth a consultant would normally be willing to agree to an elective cs. Note I say consultant not midwife. She needs to ask to see the medical staff and ignore the domineering midwife with her own selfish blinkered agenda.

She could just not turn up for the ECV appointment and wait until labour starts but with a transverse lie this is a potentially dangerous thing to do as both of my babies were transverse and each time I was advised to get to hospital immediately if my waters broke before the date of my planned sections.

Any HA will state that they don't offer elective sections, naturally they don't offer, but you can get one if you ask/insist and make it quite clear to them that if anything goes wrong during an enforced VB you will hold them responsible and take appropriate legal action.

Where is the "putting women first and respecting a women's choice/preference" ?

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lissielou · 20/03/2007 13:47

thank you grr, the mw is going to book her a scan on 2nd apr, so fingers crossed!

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bubblebell1 · 21/03/2007 09:19

a cs is not the easy option... i have had both and it was by far the worst of the 2.

i had an elective section last time and by looking at nice and other such websites i found that a woman is entittled to an elective cs if it is for medical reasons. the midwife is talking shite

sorry

xxx

RedFraggle · 21/03/2007 09:29

Your poor SIL!

No c-section is not an easy option, but having an ECV is still no guarantee that you won't end up with one in my personal expereince. Given my options again of having ECV to turn a breech baby or booking in for a c-section I would definitely go with the section. They cannot force your SIL to have ECV, it is her choice and there are risks attached to it (as with any intervention) that she needs to be made aware of so she can make an informed choice.

Sorry - rant over.

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lissielou · 21/03/2007 09:31

i agree, spoke to her yesterday and the mw was apparently so calm about it and just assumed that she knew nowt about the procedure. BUT id given her loads of info courtesy of lulu and loads of other lovely mners so at least shes armed!

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LilRedWG · 21/03/2007 15:12

Good luck for your SIL with this Lissie.

Emprexia · 22/03/2007 13:26

Tell her to ignore her midwife and ask to speak to a Consultant Obstetrician.

Her Midwife can't turn that baby without her permission to do so.

Emprexia · 22/03/2007 13:29

Oh, and btw, i delivered in Shropshire, they pride themselves on having one of the Lowest CS rates in the UK, so it isn't about what your SIL wants, its about the figures and keeping the CS rate low.

Shropshire HA will try everything before they submit to a CS.. but your SIL needs to let her Consultant know what she wants. Her Midwife can't tell her what to do.

lissielouwithbunnyears · 22/03/2007 19:57

its disgraceful, i hate the fact that we are just a row of numbers. i suffered terribly at the hands of statistic obsessed mws and i dont want SiL to go thru the same thing!

lissielouwithbunnyears · 22/03/2007 19:57

are you still in shropshire?

Emprexia · 22/03/2007 23:00

Yes, I'm not far from Shrewsbury.

ellabellatheshoeseller · 22/03/2007 23:15

Anyone who has had had third degree tear deserves to have her next baby in whatever way suits them! I saw the consultant and it wasnt a problem at all. It should be the same for her. Tell the hospital her new birth partner is a journalist and I'll bet she can then have the baby swinging from the chandelier if that makes her happy although I wouldnt recommend it. CS was great for me, not something you do for fun but better than third degree tears. Good luck!

lissielouwithbunnyears · 23/03/2007 09:52

thank you all. have offered to go with her to see mw for support.

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